in response to way of life ending, things we can all do!

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  1. Hatch

    Hatch Former Guest

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    One thing I've learned in life is that I *REALLY* learn from my failures when I try something new, and I *LOVE* that! I don't mind failing as long as I can learn why I failed and then improve it! I've found that "knowing" something from scratch after hearing or even reading about it is one thing, but it's a world different to actually go out into my yard, kitchen or garage and try to make it happen in real life with my own two hands.

    When I talk about ways to learn from failure, I mean:
    --Okay, that lashing didn't work to hold down a tarp/cover in wind and rain, what kind of knots would have been better?
    --Okay, I kind of got some stuff growing, and it took a lot of digging and some money, but the damn gophers and rabbits got away with a bunch of the harvest. What could I do better to protect it?
    --Okay, I know it rains and that is water that would be "good" for gardening, but what can I do to catch and keep it?
    --Okay, I have magnesium and flint in my backpack, and I tried to make a fire... yeah... now I also have Bic lighters in my backpack, sure they can be broken but I learned that those starters don't always work very well, and it wasn't even windy when I tried! When is the last time you "made fire"? Give it a shot! Try it... I think it's one of the most classic examples of what I'm talking about where practical application of skill trumps "book learning" and does it EVERY TIME.

    So I was reading the thread about our way of life ending and I was hoping to start a new thread based on what things we can all do to take steps that are beneficial to our families stability and health.

    I don't want to label anyone a "survivalist" or anything else for that matter, but there are still people who prepare for hard times, and they have a huge leg up when bad things happen to good people. Whether it's from hard times or just a good way to spend time with your family/friends, becoming more self sufficient is NEVER time wasted. Ever.

    It doesn't matter what the problem is... earthquakes, firestorms, economical meltdown, spontaneous rioting after some superficial trial that turned into a media racial hot button issue (and the riots happen either way, conviction or acquittal) or who knows what causes it, does it really matter? Once you're in the Oh CRAP!!! situation, you're there! The upside is that preparing for them has very basic underlying principles that resonate with almost all of the potential scenarios. Water, Food, Security. Start wit the very basics.

    All of us can do simple things every week to help improve our situation.

    Don't wait until Obama is re-elected and the liberals run wild with even more programs that kill jobs and take food off your families plate. Cycloneman said better learn to grow veggies...(if Obummer is re-elected) the only problem I have with that is "learn to" don't "learn to"... DO GROW VEGGIES. Right now. Today!!! Hey, and go one better, if you have the room for it, plant a tree! plant a fruit or nut tree. Even though you cant eat all of that once it's really producing a few years later, you can share it with friends, coworkers and others, or you can sell the excess at a local farmers market, or you can just donate it to charity!

    Here's some books I think could be beneficial to people looking into how to get started on growing some of their own food, on how to start relying less on what the infrastructure supplies and more on their own hard work! (Seriously, if you spend a Saturday or Sunday in the garden were you taking away from your work curing cancer, or were you watching T.V.?)

    Backyard Homestead http://www.amazon.com/Backyard-Homestead-Produce-food-quarter/dp/1603421386/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1309827330&sr=8-1
    Mini Farming http://www.amazon.com/Mini-Farming-Self-Sufficiency-Brett-Markham/dp/1602399840/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1309827429&sr=1-1
    4 season harvest http://www.amazon.com/Four-Season-Harvest-Organic-Vegetables-Garden/dp/1890132276/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1309827471&sr=1-1
    Seed to seed http://www.amazon.com/Seed-Growing-Techniques-Vegetable-Gardeners/dp/1882424581/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1309827624&sr=1-1


    Water

    How to build water storage (all the way up to large scale!) http://www.amazon.com/Water-Storage-Emergency-Use---Ferrocement/dp/0964343363/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1309827692&sr=1-1

    Look up rain water catchment, there are laws in some communities that force you to put the rain water into the ground rather than storing it for your garden, but, that doesn't mean you can't build catchment with gutters and storage and "test" them, etc... and if the bad times are horrifically bad... do you really think whoever is left at the city/county code enforcement bureau is going to risk walking onto your land to issue a citation?


    Mormon guide to preparing food supplies
    There's a particular link I'm looking for and having trouble finding it, it's a PDF that is basically buy this, this week, and it covers your families food consumption for the week but you slowly add to the items your buying, this week you buy an extra bag of sugar, next week you buy a big bag of rice, the week later you buy pasta, etc etc etc, and with barely affecting your weekly budget, at the end of a year, you actually have a reliable and effective food stores program in YOUR OWN PANTRY! and all you have to do is practice FIFO (first in, first out) and replenish when you go grocery shopping, and you can sustain that as your family eats their every day meals through out the year.

    I have the .PDF file, I just cant find the darn link to it online, maybe someone else can post it

    Now that you have some idea of what you want to have in stock to live a healthy life without dependance on the grocery store being open 24/7...

    canning, jarring, preserves etc...
    storing food http://www.amazon.com/Storing-Your-Grown-Fruit-Vegetables/dp/1905862547/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1309828519&sr=1-2

    Seriously, the list goes on and on, there are VOLUMES of books that experienced gardeners or self reliant or even large city urban apartment dwelling wanna-be green thumbs have tried and documented

    If you want to get even more prepared, there's alternatives that are reasonably affordable on even modest budgets. You don't have to buy a garage full of MRE's in order to have some self reliance.

    Costco buckets do 1 month of food for 90-100 bucks depending on if you want the one thats vegan only or the one with chicken. And that single bucket has individually freeze dried portions for 3 meals a day, for one person for an entire MONTH! for 100 bucks.

    Costco link on food storage, go crazy lol! http://www.costco.com/Common/Search.aspx?whse=BC&topnav=&search=emergency%20food&N=0&Ntt=emergency%20food&cm_re=1_en-_-Top_Left_Nav-_-Top_search&lang=en-US

    Uhm... that's a pretty good way to at least get some peace of mind and start working on the gardening and self reliance thing as a parallel task right?

    The sooner you start taking command of your own food and water resources, the better prepared you are if they ever become affected by unforeseen events!

    The same can be said for Medical and defense and all sorts of other needs, but those would probably be better off in separate threads...

    anyway, for now, happy gardening and stay healthy!
  2. cycloneman

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    Gardning takes time to learn. Just when you think you know it all someone will teach you more.

    1. test your soil, dig some up and bring it to your local ag center. They will analize it for a small fee. You will get a report back on what your soil needs.

    2. You need to start at least 6 months in advance to plant a crop.

    3. Some plants grow good from seed in the ground some need to be seeded in cups and transplanted.

    4. The heat, cold, excess water and drout are hell on the plants and one will get you usually.

    5. Use Herloom seeds, they are getting harder to find.

    6. Bugs are a problem but there are natural defenses you can use. Believe it or not lady bugs can be bought by the thousands and cheap too.

    H U N T I N G

    Unless your growing the animals it is foolish to think you can live off of it. Everyone and their brother will be hunting the same animal. When it comes to survival the law is out the window. Hunt at night, keep your family fed. But that too will only last so long.

    N E I G H B H O R S

    Hope they are like minded. Pool together resources.

    C A N N I N G

    I need more experience in this area myself.

    F I S H I N G / T R A P I N G

    Lakes / streems use fishing tackle and cages to trap fish.

    make the most of what is around you and think about it long before you ever need to.

    A M M O

    You will never have enough
  3. Hatch

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    Cycloneman, Very good points!

    I think that there's several points that resonate with all of the underlying ideals.

    Preparation: It's better to have 50 gallons of water in a barrel in the garage or a closet and rotate that out twice a year, than to wish you had 50 gallons of water ready to go should it be needed.

    Practice: Yep, growing things from seed to seed is a skill, it's not going to come natural and running off to lowes or home depot and spending 50 bucks on seeds is the worst thing you could do. Those are hybrid seeds, not heirloom. They will grow, they will produce great big fat lovely produce!!! and the seeds from their produce will not be usable. they are genetically altered to produce the veggies in ideal or even in rough environments... thats great for growing tomatoes and carrots and asparagus today... but in case of a real emergency, you want heirloom seeds, because those plants produce product that is replantable, and will sustain you for the long term, as opposed to a single harvest and then you're out of food!

    Determination: If you are just stubborn and willing to do what it takes, or the father of a newborn who never thought about such things... you can make a difference. For your family, for your peace of mind. There's a lot of resources out there, I linked books that you could buy, but there are tons and tons of gardening websites and if you can browse these gun forums then you can browse them too! (Hey, hippies have good things to learn from too! just because they have ultra liberals who want to ban private growing co-ops because it's not FDA approved doesn't meant they don't know what they are talking about when it comes to growing tomatoes carrots or zucchini!)



    How many times have you read something and said to yourself "I should do that"?

    how many times have you said "I will do that!" and then never did?

    Pick one project, keep it small, manage your expectations. keep the goals achievable, even if it's just learning that you learned that gophers and rabbits are formidable foes!

    Pick one project. a single garden box, or buy a reloading press for the caliber you shoot most often, or, learn a skill like leather working, which I found out makes you more like Betsy Ross than Grizzly Adams!!!! leather working is all about your sewing skills, you might have HE-MAN!!!!! {insert heroic music} ideals, but you're a seamstress... sorry :)

    The upside is you can make some really cool stuff and I've seen things as random as leather bookmarks fetch 65 dollars, after an hour spent making it.

    hmmm 1 hour making a book mark (or some other widget) or... one (or twenty) hours watching re-runs of the same TV shows I already watched?

    and in this case... you can do BOTH!!! this isn't go out into the barn and milk cows.. you can do this in your living room! Hmmm...
  4. Zhurh

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    Build a fruit cellar that won't freeze when it's minus 60; just one more idear.
  5. Hatch

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    Good point Zhurh, and this is a lot more appropriate than many people might think right off the bat...

    Burying food below the frost line when you're in Northern Freakin Coldistan like Z is, makes a LOT of sense.

    what you need to think about too is that if you're in Arizona, Nevada, Kommiefornia, Texas, etc etc etc...

    You can get the EXACT SAME BENEFICIAL effect... lots of people dont realize that it's 100 degrees outside, walking around, maybe even in the shade... but if you dig 3 feet deep, and bury a cooler of food... Earth is a natural fridge, just waiting for you to put the goodies in. It can be 45 degrees there year round!!! even in the desert or swamp.

    Yeah it takes a lot of work to bury that fridge, so... it's not something you want to dig and then cover up again daily... but... you can PLAN long term storage.

    That's more than cold enough for long term storage of properly prepared meat and veggies. Makes Nov-Mar a lot more hospitable if there's food just ready to be eaten if you prepare and store it first. And this is free! except some sweat.

    You pay for everything, I learned that a long time ago. Even when it's free, you pay, and when your girl says I want, you pay, and when gunny says "you just volunteered" you pay... o.0
  6. mncarpenter

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    I've seen potatoes,onions, carrots, squash ,all sorts of stuff survive harsh winters in Iowa, and South Dakota ,stored in a root cellar. Bury the goodies under a good blanket of hay , throw a tarp over it. They make good storm shelters, too. I know, I've spent a few hours in root cellars watching trees fly by.
    Alot of what you guys are talking about is old hat to the old farmers in the Midwest, and West. Both sets of my grandparents grew up on South/North Dakota homesteads, in a sod or stone house scratched up out of the prairie. Talk to the old timers- they've forgotten more than the hippies will ever know. It was a way of life for my grandparents, I think the reason most people struggle so much with "survivalist preparation" now is because you don't depend on it for day to day living-yet.
  7. RedHawk

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    I made a comment on another gun forum regarding Survivalism , maybe I should have left the survivalism tag off , because they blasted me with comedy , it wasnt a comedic post , they turned it into that , I stopped going there immediately , survivalism isnt a joke , call it what you like , but in the end , those that have food will be the ones laughing and I for one ,will be able to protect that right!
    Great post Hatch!!
  8. Zhurh

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    Most fruit cellars here in Ak are under people's cabins. Most small cabins are on cement posts and skirting & insulation around base of cabin. Permafrost affects everything up here. So people dig a room 10 foot down and line it with wood or block walls. They have a trap door from their first floor and keep a light bulb, sometimes several as heat source to keep it from freezing when it gets down to minus 60. You want it t stay as close to right above freezing as possible. We have cement foundation and wifey won't let me take a jack hammer to the basement floor so I use my neighbors to store a few hundred lb taters in. One back room in my basement also stays around 45-50 degrees during winter so it works for me, keep 1000 lb down there. People keep meat and all kinds of produce in fruit cellars.

    Back east, many people have houses built against hillsides. I had an uncle, house had been family hundreds of years. One of my ancestors had dug a cave back into the bedrock about 30-40 feet and had a big room, spring water that filled up a cement tank/pool of sorts they had built, always ran. He had the best surface spring water and also had hoses and used the excess to water his garden. It was unreal, but just how they done it in the 1800's. It could have been 100 degrees outside, it was 40 in the cave. Even better than a spring house which one can make if they have a small wet spring anywhere on their property.
  9. Hatch

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    I understand their inability to look at what current events are at face value, or to walk them backwards and then see how we went so horribly wrong in many regards. Some people, if you move them out of their comfort zone, even just a smidge, thats it, they get hostile right away, whether it's threats or mockery or whatever the case may be.

    I understand it, but it doesn't help them a single bit when they find out they were wrong.

    When I think about really really horrific things happening to our economy I think about the people who will be affected by it, and it just goes back to the story of the ant the grasshopper. Either you're prepared for the cold winter or you're not!


    The difference is, in 1850 most men with firearms understood how to work land and make their living while protecting whats theirs... in 2050, if it takes that long, it's going to be all about "I"m hungry and armed..." and that is a problem.

    And it might not be 2050 either, runaway debt problems, unemployment numbers that are totally out of control and an administration that would love to make all of that worse because it increases their political base.

    I hope I'm wrong, but I think things will get a lot worse before they get any better.
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  10. jack404

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    hmmmm, heres where i get funny look's ,

    what with 300 million jihadi's just off our northern coast line and boat loads of illegals arriving almost daily and often multiple boat loads

    the gun laws and the way they went here a while back

    india , its growing navy with invasion capabilities , its growing militancy , and political jibes at Australia

    and the violent and growing pro jihadists muslim population here

    i've spent the past 20 years stashing stuff , knowledge and tools away allllllllll over the place

    seed, basics , in Cannes and Caves putting up basic "hunting" shacks around the bush in defensible areas,

    and i Pray To God often it wont be needed, but the way we are going , even the news today here horrifies me , freedom of the press died in Australia today , the socialists agenda MUST BE SPOKEN , crap crap crap grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
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    well said Jack
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    my real worry is its gets dragged out , a piecemeal thing , more gun grabs , knives freedoms , rights , on and on , and then , jihadist population reaches 10% like londonstan in sydney or melbourne , they take over as they have done in the towers council ( local government area in London) and actively chase non muslims out , rape non muslim women as they please and not get 1 convitction in 17,000 case and have 13,000 edited to remove any racial ID , descriptions or to rename them "Asians" but thats now ..

    how weak and PC will the world be when my grand kids are grown and i'm not here ?
    what will they fight with ? how they they get away and be "free" or safe or self sufficient ,

    they'll all know and have the tools and more ..

    if 9/11 did not wake up the world

    the socialist pandering to those who support all that and who rejoiced at the news of 9/11

    the working against the people by our officials to a agenda that was horrifying many years ago when first touted

    the thinly veiling of this agenda via UN programs ,

    supporting islamists and now Muslim Brotherhood themselves,

    bleeding the people and economies dry

    its not looking like anythings gonna bring it to a head soon they wanna bleed us a bit befores setting the dog's of islam onto us then saving us all

    and all we'll have to do is join the global alliance or what ever they'll rename the new UN and all it will cost is your constitution , sovereignty and rights , faith ... under the new scheme everyone will do what they are told

    seems the masses are taking way more than whats happened to rise up and say no , in a big enough way it matters i mean tea party , my own Eureka Brigade movement here , no to carbon tax , all do count , but it needs to grow

    we need 100,000 in every city in every state at the same time to shout NO MORE

    and if 9/11 and what we've seen since aint dont it

    what the government and islamists and socialists are doing here are not doing it

    i fear we will be the grandparents of "the Generation that says no"

    and we may all need to look at what we today can do to help ..
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  13. ofitg

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    I fear that no generation will ever say NO.

    Globalism has been implemented slowly, step by step, for over a century now. I have had discussions with members on this forum who believe that we should accept infringements on our Constitution, because the Constitution's framers did not anticipate modern circumstances.... Those forum members were parroting what they've absorbed from the modern education/media institutions.

    That's the world they grew up in.

    As long as the Globalists don't move too rapidly and trigger a crisis, the population will continue to accept/rationalize gradual erosion of our freedoms.
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    +1 Well said.
  15. Hatch

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    I'd like to get back to things we can do to be better prepared to avoid having our families and our lifestyles impacted by potential hazards... whether its fire storms, earth quakes or civil unrest or whatever...


    What did you do today to help your family be more sustainable without infrastructure that brings in food, water and power?

    If that answer is "nothing", that's okay, but if the same question said this "week" and you said "nothing", that's not so good, what if the question said "this month" and you still said nothing?

    I dont know about the rest of you, but my time machine is broken and in the shop, and they wont tell me when it's gonna be ready... and they'll probably lie about it after they fix it! ;)

    All of that means, dont wait... start NOW!.
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