IVER JOHNSON'S & CYCLE WORKS 32 CAL REVOLVER

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  1. CHARLIERIPP

    CHARLIERIPP New Member

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    ANYONE HAVE A IDEA WHAT THE AGE OF THIS GUN IS AND ITS CURRENT VALUE. ANY INFO WOULD BE HELPFUL.
    IT IS A 32 S&W CAL 5 ROUND HAMER REVOLVER. 3 AND 3/4 INCH BARREL SERIAL NUMBER ON INSIDE LEFT HANDLE IS K2941. NO GRIPS BUT IN GOOD CONDITION OTHERWISE AND IN WORKING ORDER. ALSO HAVE 5 ROUNDS WITH 32 S&W AND W W MARKS ON THEM.
    MY FATHER PASSED AWAY ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO AND WE FOUND THIS GUN IN HIS BELONINGS. I HAVE NO IDEA WHERE HE GOT THE GUN.
    OTHER MARKINGS
    PATD APR 6, 86. FEB 15, 87. MAY 10,87. MAR 13, 88. AUG25, 96. PAT'S PENDING MARKS ON THE BUTT OF THE HANDLE.:)
  2. b.goforth

    b.goforth New Member

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    the "K" letter code was used in 1904 on the small frame 32 S&W safety automatic hammer revolver. do not fire this revolver as it was designed for black powder cartridge pressures only.

    SECOND MODEL SAFETY AUTOMATIC HAMMER REVOLVER
    (Black Powder Cartridges)------------1896-1908
    LARGE FRAME AND SMALL FRAME VERSIONS USES HAMMER THE HAMMER ACTION: Double top post barrel latch, nickel finish standard, blue optional, hard rubber grip panels with Owls head at top. Hammer the Hammer action, two frame sizes, and three calibers. Standard barrel length: small frame 3 inches, large frame 3 ¼ inches; Calibers: small frame .22 rimfire 7 rounds cylinder capacity, .32 centerfire 5 rounds cylinder capacity, large frame .38 centerfire 5 rounds cylinder capacity; Weight: small frame with 3 inch barrel .22 rimfire 12 ounces, .32 centerfire 12 ¼ ounces, large frame with 3 ¼ inch barrel 17¼ ounces; Frame height: small frame 3 ¼ inches, large frame 3 7/8 inches; Frame length: small frame 4 3/26 inches, large frame 5 inches; Overall length: small frame with 3 inch barrel 6 3/8 inches, large frame with 3 ¼ inch barrel 7 3/8 inches. Only difference between the first and second model is the barrel latch. Main serial number location on left side of grip frame grips must be removed to see. The Second Model features a double top post barrel latch, flat leaf hammer spring and two cross pins in the lower frame.
    VALUE: 100%=$275 60%=$135
    For revolvers equipped with Bourne Knuckleduster add 100%
  3. rattletrap1970

    rattletrap1970 New Member

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    Hi there,
    I have an Iver Johnson .32 Revolver with the owls facing the barrel, serial number on the base of the grip on the bottom of the gun #31236. The gun is in about 70% shape, nickel plated. 5 shot, free wheels when not cocked. 3" barrel. Single lever on top to open (shown in picture). Has a button on the left side of the top strap in front of the take down lever that releases the cylinder. The rear sight actually goes through a rectangular hole in the top strap. No numbers anywhere else. SA/DA. Bore is clean and sharp.

    I'm wondering the exact model and year of manufacture as I am trying to get a new cylinder (the teeth seem worn down and the cylinder shucks forward and back). Other than that it functions perfectly in single and double action.
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    Any assistance is very much appreciated.
  4. sweat it

    sweat it New Member

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    Hello. Anyone have an idea what the age of this gun is and its current value. Any info would be great!!!
    I have an Iver Johnson & Cycleworks
    Fitchburg Mass. USA
    Number under trugger guard is C45106
    on the top of barrel ATD APR.6.86.FEB.15.87.MAY10.87DEC.26.93
    5 shot, top break 38.CAL.

    Thanks for the help!!!!
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  5. b.goforth

    b.goforth New Member

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    rattletrap,
    this is an early first model small 32 S&W caliber safety automatic hammer revolver manufactured in 1894.

    FIRST MODEL SAFETY AUTOMATIC HAMMER REVOLVER
    (Black Powder Cartridges)---------------------------1894-1896
    LARGE & SMALL FRAME VERSIONS USES THE FAMOUS HAMMER THE HAMMER ACTION This is the first revolver marked “Iver Johnson’s Arms & Cycle Works”, some very early model were marked “Iver Johnson & Co.”. It is a top break revolver with a single top post barrel latch, it was manufactured in two frame sizes and three calibers, standard finish was Nickel with blue being optional. Grip panels are hard rubber with Owls head design. Calibers: small frame .22 rimfire & .32 centerfire, Large frame .38 centerfire; Cylinder capacity: small frame .22 7 rounds & .32 5 rounds, Large frame 5 rounds; Standard barrel length: small frame 3 inches, large frame 3¼ inches; Weight: small frame 3 inch barrel .22 rimfire 12 ounces, .32 centerfire 12¼ ounces large frame 3¼ inch barrel 17¼ ounces; Height: small frame 3¾ inches, large frame 3`7/8 inches; frame length: small frame 4 3/16 inches, large frame 5 inches; overall length small frame with 3 inch barrel 6 3/8 inches, large frame with 3¼ inch barrel 7 3/8 inch. Main serial number location on left side of grip frame; grips must be removed to see. . The First Model features a single top post barrel latch (release lever mounted on left side of top strap) and flat leaf hammer spring.
    VALUE: 100%=$290, 80%=$140, 60%=$110, 40%=$90, 20%=$70, 10%=$60
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    sweat it,
    this is a second model 38 S&W caliber safety automatic hammer revolver. serial number C 45106 was manufactured in 1896.

    SECOND MODEL SAFETY AUTOMATIC HAMMER REVOLVER
    (Black Powder Cartridges)------------1896-1908
    LARGE FRAME AND SMALL FRAME VERSIONS USES HAMMER THE HAMMER ACTION: Double top post barrel latch, nickel finish standard, blue optional, hard rubber grip panels with Owls head at top. Hammer the Hammer action, two frame sizes, and three calibers. Standard barrel length: small frame 3 inches, large frame 3 ¼ inches; Calibers: small frame .22 rimfire 7 rounds cylinder capacity, .32 centerfire 5 rounds cylinder capacity, large frame .38 centerfire 5 rounds cylinder capacity; Weight: small frame with 3 inch barrel .22 rimfire 12 ounces, .32 centerfire 12 ¼ ounces, large frame with 3 ¼ inch barrel 17¼ ounces; Frame height: small frame 3 ¼ inches, large frame 3 7/8 inches; Frame length: small frame 4 3/26 inches, large frame 5 inches; Overall length: small frame with 3 inch barrel 6 3/8 inches, large frame with 3 ¼ inch barrel 7 3/8 inches. Only difference between the first and second model is the barrel latch. Main serial number location on left side of grip frame grips must be removed to see. The Second Model features a double top post barrel latch, flat leaf hammer spring and two cross pins in the lower frame.
    VALUE: 100%=$275 60%=$135
    For revolvers equipped with Bourne Knuckleduster add 100%
  7. rattletrap1970

    rattletrap1970 New Member

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    Thank you very much for the information b.goforth
  8. sweat it

    sweat it New Member

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    Thanks for the info! I'm new to guns. Should or can i shoot this gun? My brother in law said he shoot 38 special rounds though it. Is that right? Thanks again!! Jim.
  9. sweat it

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    OOPS!!
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    sweat it, if your brother in law shot 38 Special through this revolver, count his fingers to see if he still has them all. This is a black powder revolver chambered for the Black Powder 38 S&W. The 38S&W and the 38 Special are two different cartridges. The 38 S&W is a shorter and larger in diameter. more importaly, it is much less powerfull. Iver Johnson made good revolvers, but shooting 38 Special through it will blow it up sooner or later and take fingers with it. It is advised not to shoot it at all.:eek:
  11. kevin cook

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    mr goforth. i got a iver johnson from my uncle a few weeks ago. sn # d45785 pat. aug 25 96. from what i have read u r the man on these. dont want to sell r shoot it but my 16 yo daughter wants it for a keep sake. can u tell the date from this info. thanks kevin. ps. he painted the gun and grips took all day to see the numbers. didnt want to scratch it up.
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  12. b.goforth

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    check the pm you sent. i believe this is a third model made in 1911.

    here more;
    THIRD MODEL SAFETY AUTOMATIC HAMMERLESS REVOLVER (Smokeless Powder Cartridges)-------------1909-1941
    LARGE FRAME AND SMALL FRAME VERSIONS USES HAMMER THE HAMMER ACTION; Double top post barrel latch, with Hammer the Hammer action, nickel finish standard blue optional. Two frame sizes, four calibers, hard rubber grip panels with Owls head at top, two piece oversize hard rubber and one piece wood grips optional. Redesigned for smokeless powder. Standard barrel length: small frame 3 inches, large frame 3 ¼ inches; Calibers: small frame .22 rimfire with 7 rounds cylinder capacity, .32 centerfire with 5 rounds cylinder capacity, large frame .32 Special with 6 rounds cylinder capacity, .38 centerfire with 5 rounds cylinder capacity; Weight: small frame .22 rimfire with 3 inch barrel 13 ½ ounces, .32 centerfire with 3 inch barrel 14 ounces, large frame .32 Special with 3 ¼ inch barrel 19 ¼ ounces, .38 centerfire with 3 ¼ inch barrel 19 ounces; Height: small frame 3 ¾ inches, large frame 3 7/8 inches; Frame length: small frame 4 3/16 inches, large frame 5 inches; Overall length: small frame with 3 inch barrel 6 3/8 inches, large frame with 3 ¼ inch barrel 7 3/8 inches. Main serial number location on left side of grip frame grips must be removed to see. The Third Model features a double top post barrel latch, coil hammer spring and four cross pins in the lower frame.
    VALUE: 100%=$260 60%=$125
    bill
  13. steve007

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    Mr. Goforth you seem quite familar with iver johnson revolers and i hoped you could shed some light on this hammerless 5 shot revolver please.
    serial # from under grip L42979
    trigger gaurd # 42979
    fron the butt of the gun PAT Apr 6 86 Feb 15 87 May 10 87 Mar 13 88 Aug 25 96
    Thanks Steve
  14. b.goforth

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    steve007,
    this is a second model small frame 32 S&W safety automatic hammerless revolver. the L letter code was used in 1904.

    SECOND MODEL SAFETY AUTOMATIC HAMMERLESS REVOLVER
    (Black Powder Cartridges)------------- -–1896-1908
    LARGE FRAME AND SMALL FRAME VERSIONS USES HAMMER THE HAMMER ACTION: Double top post barrel latch, Hammer the Hammer action, nickel finish with blue optional, two frame sizes and three calibers. Hard rubber grip panels with Owls head at top. Calibers: small frame .22 rimfire with 7 rounds cylinder capacity, .32 centerfire with 5 rounds cylinder capacity; Standard barrel length: small frame 3 inches, large frame 3 ¼ inches; Weight: small frame with 3 inch barrel .22 rimfire 12 ½ ounces, .32 centerfire 13 ½ ounces, large frame with 3 ¼ inch barrel 17 ¾ ounces; Height: small frame 3 ¾ inches, large frame 3 7/8 inches; Frame length: small frame 4 3/16 inches, large frame 5 inches; Overall all length: small frame with 3 inch barrel 6 3/8 inches, large frame with 3 ¼ inch barrel 7 3/8 inches. Main serial number location on left side of grip frame grips must be removed to see. The Second Model features a double top post barrel latch, flat leaf hammer spring and two cross pins in the lower frame.
    VALUE: 100%=$285 60%=$150
    For revolvers equipped with Bourne Knuckleduster add 100%
    bill
  15. steve007

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    Thanks very helpful!
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