Jew,Christian, Mormon, a childs question

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  1. dartswinger

    dartswinger New Member

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    Since we may well soon have a Mormon President I think this is relevant.
    Last night I had to smile when I heard my Brother in Law answer a question to his grandson. The child had heard his parents discussing Christian and Mormon and asked what the difference was. My Brother in Law said the Jews had 'the Book' the Christians had 'the Book and volume 2, the New Testament' and the Mormons have the first 2 plus volume 3, the 'Book of Mormon'. I chuckled a bit and then realized, how could one put it better in a childs eye without the weightiness of doctrin and theology?
  2. jack404

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    my way is

    "Mormons believe that a angel called Moroni told a man a new way to be Christian and he started the Mormon Church"

    i personally dont agree with the doctrine , but seen some fine works come outta the folks who be in there

    and happy to stand by em in strife.. good folks

    so i like not to judge the folks most i've met are fine , ( biggest scammer i ever knew was one so it balances like every church but he robbed his own as well .. crooks are like butts , everyones got one somewhere )

    i've seen what they teach and not 100% with it at all

    but the folksas people , Love Jesus and see Him and following His path as the way to Glory ( they just have a mixed up ending )

    i cant fault that eh
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  3. ampaterry

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    I think that description was good, actually, if the child was very young.
    If he was nearing the teenage years, I would go a bit more into depth with him.

    Gotta agree, Jack; absolutely wonderful people - at least every one we have met. And they are pretty well tied with the Jehovah's Witnesses for dedication, too, which is high praise indeed.

    Judy and I were so impressed with them, in fact, that we went through their entire series of teaching while we lived in Alaska. Then some years later in IL, we went through it AGAIN. Just couldn't get past a couple of doctrinal points, though.

    But I would be GLAD for a Mormon to have my back ANYTIME.
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    After having an anti american illegal muslim terrorist president, I am not at all concerned with his religion.
  5. dartswinger

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    Seems to be a consensus old brother in law didn't do too badly, taught me at least a little too. I was raised protestant and pretty much taught that Judaism was the root of Christianity but I hadn't the slightest idea what Mormonism was. All I've really heard are Mitts detractors and comedians stuff about 'magic underwear', theres gotta be more to it than that. I don't know about the muslim stuff with Obama but he has some far greater failings and problems than that, in my opinion.
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    I can't get into this the way I'd like. Let me just say that many "good" people are on their way to hell. Salvation is not by works, and only comes by faith in the only begotten Son of God, Jesus Christ. Anyone who claims to be a follower of Christ but denies His deity, believes in another Christ and another gospel, and are cursed. I am not judging here; they are already judged.

    I do not wish to offend anyone. I know there are many faiths represented on this forum, including non believers. This is just what I believe, and I can do nothing other than speak the truth as I understand it. This is not narrow mindedness. All religions can't be true, and separate realities are fiction. There is only one truth.
  7. Caneman

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    wow, just saw this thread pop up on the TFF main index page, i rarely visit this part of the forum... this topic generates a lot of heat around here and I wish I could discuss it openly as well but I would probably get in to a lot of trouble if i got into details! if it really interests you then read your bible, do the research, and seek God for understanding and you will come to know the truth about this topic... like my brother said ^^^ there can only be one Truth...
  8. jack404

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    44 Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me.

    45 And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me.

    46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.

    47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

    48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.



    I am a Christian Deist , not the new age "jesus aint god" version but the fearful of organised ( made made) religion

    Jesus is my Savior . (full Stop)

    now else where in the bible folks came up a running to Jesus saying master , there are others teaching in your name but doing things different and in other languages etc

    what was Jesus reaction?

    take a leaf outta the misfitted mohamadens and try to place yourself in His shoes for that moment ( like trying to be like old mo )

    what was Jesus's reaction to this ?

    i think we need to see a lesson

    though we may not trust in any way the organisation , the people within ,

    we should never, ever judge ...

    dont get me going on the catholic church , ( who had a bounty on my families faiths head for 450 years) but that dont mean catholics are bad

    in fact it was average catholics who reformed the church

    remember martin luther ??

    God works in people not doctrines

    come out to Australia in the deepest desert we got and see who is there helping the folks there , we aint sexy like africa , but we got same conditions , worse , i see three groups out there , guess which , ( salvation army is one )

    by their deeds shall ye know them is a pretty good measure

    its a simple truth Jesus Himself stated

    and i try to use that as my measure ..

    you'd be surprised the ammount of folks in those groups who agree about some of the silly things ( the funny undies) but thats a tradition more than faith aspect nowdays to most , some are dead serious about it and thats always a worry , but its the folks in it that matters and what they believe and who they accept as their personal savior

    what they beleive happens afterwards .. that really matter ? you gonna say i aint Christian because i think the big bang happened and it was all part of God's plan to get us to this point in time and space?



    you ask any Mormon folks this ..

    i'll ask here and now

    any Mormon folks care to answer that one ? who is your personal Savior ??


    cheers
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  9. ampaterry

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    Truer words were never spake!!!

    I see nothing wrong with stating that faith in Christ brings salvation, ROMT.
    The problem enters when someone decides it is their prerogative to decide what group has faith in Christ and what group does not. THAT is the kind of detail that will bring problems to them in this group.

    Old N/A wisdom says not to judge anyone until you have walked a mile in his moccasins. The truth of this is that God does the judging, not us. The only way we can KNOW what someone believes is if we ARE that person.

    I was technically a Lutherin for four years.
    But I believed NOTHING they believe during that time.
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    I'm in the same boat as ROMT. One of the best friends I've ever had was a Mormon. I got to know the religion well, and have discussed religion with many of them thru the years. There is just too much there that ain't right, IMHO.
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    Terry, You are absolutely correct; God is the only judge. But I don't think comparing the published beliefs of a particular religion or cult to what scripture says is judging. I don't say the things I do to put someone else down. I do it hoping I've planted a seed of doubt that will cause others to take a look at the teachings of their religion from a biblical perspective. We are not called to go with the flow and not rock the boat, but to speak the truth in all things.
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    You know what i think is a common misperception is that "Christians are not supposed to judge"... imo, i believe that is an inaccurate understanding of scripture... Christians are not supposed to condemn others, but making judgements is actually encouraged... i usually see the same two reasons given why Christians are not to judge: 1) Matt 7:1 "do not judge", and 2) Jesus never judged anyone. If you read the entire chapter 7 of Matt Jesus tells us to only make judgments only when we have first judged ourselves, and in John 7:24 Jesus tells us to make "righteous judgments". Everyone makes judgments all the time, including about people, but as Christians we are to judge ourselves first and then make righteous judgments not based on appearances only. Remember that judgments and condemnation are not the same thing and many confuse and interchange these two ideas all the time. If you look at the woman caught in adultery Jesus never condemned her, but he did judge her when he told her to "sin no more", with that statement He judged her actions as sinful. In Matt 18 there are directives on how to make judgments about another’s behavior. So imo, the meme that "Christians can't judge" is a common fallacy and an incomplete understanding of scripture.
  13. ampaterry

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    OK, I will try to be clearer.

    Saying the Muslims are lost is absolute fact; Islam is not a denomination nor a borderline case where they MIGHT accept Christ as their savior; they are 100% wrong in all respects.

    But the Baptists think it is a sin to drink wine at communion.
    Another group thinks it is a sin NOT to drink wine at communion.
    Each has scripture to point to for their belief.
    Snake handlers have scripture to point to for their belief too, and feel it would be a sin NOT to handle serpents when they are plainly told these signs FOLLOW those that believe.

    Various denominational differences ALL have scripture they point to for their particular beliefs.

    If anyone feels called to proselytize their own particular flavor of Christianity, or to claim that others who identify themselves as Christians are really no, do it elsewhere. If they feel that Catholics are lost, don't say so here. If they believe JW's are wrong, don't say it here. If they think Pentecostals are powered by the devil, don't say it here.

    No one is saying you cannot say these things; all we are saying is that you cannot say them HERE.
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    So the truth is being censored now? And who here says what the truth is?
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    Personal attacks, flame wars, hurt feelings - THAT is what is being censored here, and always has been.

    There may be a lady here that is ugly and fat.
    That may be the truth.
    But if you want to call her ugly and fat, you will have to do it elsewhere.

    I cannot understand why civility is so difficult to understand - -
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    Well I'm no lady but I'm ugly and fat. In any event...OK, So we don't call the lady fat. That doesn't mean we don't share our opinions about obesity.
  17. ampaterry

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    True.
    Provided, of course, that if the lady is a member of the DAR we do not opine that DAR members are fat - -

    And that is the whole thing.
    We do not insult other members by saying that we think their religious affiliation is with a group that is wrong, lost, etc.
    Anyone wants to do that in private e-mail or in person, have at it - but it is against the rules of this group to do it here.
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    so your saying Mormon folks wont go to heaven ? but your brand of Christianity is good to go?

    keep it

    i dont want any part of your brand that denies good folks and encourages hate

    theres enough bloody hatred out there , no mormons gonna kill you to get sniving points for heaven

    this is why i gave away set up religion

    ya do know the meaning of religion right ??

    itys from two words reliana and legion

    reliana means to control to lead

    leagion means many

    i see your brand is leading its folks into hatred and hell fire

    enjoy !!

    ( dont feel nice do it )

    judge not , lest ye be judged ,,

    wont judge poofters they are ok , muslims they are ok mormons they aint Christian non of em

    sure on that ??

    hell's a big bet if'n ya lose

    and ya lost before you had your answer

    think about it
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  19. RunningOnMT

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    Jack I don't have a clue what you just said or who you said it to, but seems to me except for the OP, you and Terry are the only ones that mentioned any religion by name. No one mentioned hate either. But I do hate damn lies that lead people to hell. I'm sure not the one that will send them there. And I sure don't want to see them go either. I deserve hell myself, and it's only my faith in what my Lord did for me on the cross, that I am saved. THAT is the gospel, and anyone who believes there is any other way is deluding himself. And that's the end of my contribution to this thread.
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    so again your brand is ok but others aint and they'll all go to hell no matter what eh ?

    i keep hearing how i'll go to hell for this , that or the other , always from folks way more pious than myself

    like the gent who runs a illegal casino above the fruit shop ( folks really dont go there to buy fruit at midnight )

    or the minister who is preaching acceptance of gays and lesbians as "God creations"

    gotta love that selective faith

    i'll wait till Someone else makes the selection

    that way i'll know its right ( no offence eh )
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