Jew,Christian, Mormon, a childs question

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  1. jack404

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    what about the armish and mennonite folks , they going to heaven ??

    i keep asking question but no-one responding

    but i wish a answer to the above as thats my background Mennonite

    every so called Christian Church had a cash bounty on our heads for centuries

    real Christian that eh ? if not for Catherine the great we'd have been wiped out in Europe .. long ago

    now are mennonites Christians or as the main stream church state must be wiped out ??

    answer please i wish to know if i'm at risk here ..

    after all main stream Christian Churches have killed my people for 4 centuries with a licence to do so thats never been withdrawn ( fact ) though they did state in 1890 something that we where not a threat , the fact is main stream Christianity stated we must all be killed so other could benefit from our deaths ( take the crap land we made fertile and cleared )

    so whats so nice about your faith that calls for folks like me to be wiped out

    eh?
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  2. runes

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    The best quote Iv,e heard is " If it made sense it wouldn't have to be a religion"
  3. Archie

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    Jack. I grew up as a Baptist and now am a member of a Berean Bible Fellowship congregation. To my best knowledge - and I'm a bit of a history buff - neither of those two groups have ever offered a bounty on Mennonites.

    The Bible says Jesus Christ is the ONLY way to Heaven. You seem to be familiar with the Bible, I'm sure you are either familiar with the third chapter of the Gospel of John, or you know where to find it. One of the operate phrases is in 3:18 "The one who believes in him is not condemned. The one who does not believe has been condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the one and only Son of God."

    That isn't what 'my brand' says, it is what the Bible says. So, how does that make me a hater? I'm not happy anyone is going to Hell. Neither is God; that's why He sent His Son to die as atonement.

    "Good deeds" are great. However, the determining factor is why a person does 'good deeds'. If one does them as a result of believing in God through Jesus Christ and genuinely desired to love and serve others as God loves us, then it's proper. If one does 'good deeds' in an attempt to make God happy and forgive the person's 'bad deeds' in some sort of spiritual balance beam - that simply isn't going to work.

    As for Mormons; they are typically good folks. However, their 'brand' of religion teaches a number of things not found in - and in some cases contradictory - to the Bible. In that their teaching seems to deny the sole redemptive power of Jesus Christ, they are not going to Heaven. Again; I'm not particularly happy about it, but that's the way it is.

    Which is not to say I have a problem with Mormon people. Other than the occasional twit - which one finds most places - they are pretty good folks.

    Governor Romney, for instance. He and I have some serious doctrinal differences; but I'm not voting for a Pastor, I'm voting for a President. And I think he will do a fine job.

    DartSwinger; actually the Latter Day Saint's Church has FOUR 'sacred' books; the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants of the LDS Church, the Pearl of Great Price and the Bible. Of those four, the Bible is the only one considered to be 'misinterpreted' and therefore containing errors.
  4. jack404

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    no but members did take money from lutherans who put the bounty on them to run them off their land in pennsylvania in 1752 eh ? oh we forgot about that ..

    they justified it by claiming the crop where too good and it musta been witchcraft

    yeah when common sense runs out blind panic fears and lies will bring in the dollars

    thats the good old time religion

    let's all praise the all mighty dollar and give thanks we be on the right side of god

    and we'll make sure them other dont get no part of glory , damn non Christians , we aught to kill em all eh ?
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  5. Archie

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    That's right Jack.

    I was there in 1752 with my fire brand and my .45 pistol. I'm still rich from that bounty, by the way.

    Could you please take a deep breath and consider 'this week'?
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    this week i'm told i'm not christian because i dont want my grand kids being taught gays are normal

    baptist ministry managment centre Australia

    in writing i'll scan it for you again, but

    its been front page news here for a while

    gays are ok straights are haters

    as for the past shows it never not happened

    it happened often eh

    nothings changed but the excuses ..
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  7. jack404

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    see i should be killed

    thats this week want next weeks ?? the protest is already planned

    baptist minitsies Australia and Gay pride Australia are coming to the illawarra to protest against a school who refused to hire a gay ( 3 times convicted pederist)

    wanna come join em call me names and say i an d those like me should be killed??

    removed from society ??

    just call the muslims they'll do that for ya's and be good mates with you all later
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    let get that good ole time religion happening

    those who are alive at the end of battle are rightous men those who died during battle must be the evil ones and God has trimphed again!!



    Praise Grog
  9. jack404

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    not recent enough ? now its a not ever happened just not recent enough eh??

    thanks for the serious answer did you think to respond to the question ??

    or should i leave that for your ministry team to reply too via lawyers and advisors ??
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    what ? no smart arse answers ?? facts sort kill the fun dont they , so when will you be taking one up where the sun dont shine to show you aint a hater like me ??

    can we take pic's??

    just today 103 baptist (here in Australia) churches state they are gay friendly i note baptists have the same stance in the USA

    does that mean the hetro's aint welcome no more ??

    i know it explains why the old deacons are all with their butts firmly against the wall all the time

    but with 201 baptist churches and over half stating they are gay friendly does that mean faggot rule the baptists??

    not real comfortable now eh?? how comfy when i ask you to not hold islamic services and i'm told islam has more in common with Christ than any Christian alive today

    by the bapist ministry team !! hahahahahahahaha

    salaaam you puratines

    i can see the next years baptist news , how to stretch yourself before that big date

    how to pray to allah and how to avoid AIDS whilst on bible camp

    and yet the mormons aint Christians and apparently nor am i

    so be it

    an hour later i'm adding this

    not fun is it ?

    i'm a diest i've a min of 100 pages of horrid stuff on every religion ,

    i've been shooting folks religions apart for years and its a weak thing to do cause its so easy , every religion without fail is guilty of a litany of crimes .. but religion is from man , FAITH , is from God

    every religion has issues every church

    but in all have been good believing souls who have gone against the doctrine and each time we all get a bit more freer\

    look at history , the revolutionists within each branch of Christianity they work to bring us all closer to God

    i know my words upset , but think

    why waste a whole faith and take away all the goodness they do ?

    even God in one of His judgement said show me just one person and i'll save the place , ( they could not in that case)

    i can show you dozens ..

    in all faiths and brands

    why ?

    Faith is more important than Doctrine , always has been , always will be

    because Faith is of God

    Doctrine is of man

    i believe the power of god is greater than Doctrine and therefore saying they cant be Christian... ?

    sorry i see that as not smart ..

    but if you wish to wisecrack and dance at your superiority , go ahead

    we'll find out how it all washes up sooner or later

    in the mean time ask your folks there how come they run ad's to support a mission in outback australia , but here we aint found the place yet

    gotta get that old time religion

    phil collins got it so right
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  11. Caneman

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    Too bad we can't have a free discussion on this issue, even if some get hurt feelings, as it would be better to have someone be saved for eternity at the expense of being hurt in the short term...

    But I think if you read scripture carefully, and look at Christian church history, there are a few issues that always seem to come up and distinguish Christianity from all other beliefs:

    1) Jesus Christ is uncreated and eternal God. He has always existed in eternity past, present, and eternity future. Nobody or nothing made Jesus Christ, He is uncreated, and was not made from any substance. Not sure how anyone could justify that they are a Christian if they do not worship Jesus Christ as God who is both uncreated and eternal.

    2) God, who is Jesus Christ, died on the cross as a sacrifice for all of our sins, it is a free gift of grace to receive this forgiveness, so that we are now acceptable to God and given His righteousness (also a gift). Not sure how anyone can justify that they are a Christian if they believe that Jesus' death on the cross can't forgive some sins, and/or that you have to do certains acts to earn righteousness in God's sight.

    There are other issues to consider regarding Chrisitianity, but from my experience the two above always the central core issues.

    I thought perhaps that the thread constrainsts had changed in this forum, and we would be able to discuss issues objectively, and with facts, but I am afraid that this still not the case so I am done here.
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    I would think you would be thrilled that you can come here and express your faith openly the way you do. I would challenge you to go to ANY other forum and attempt to have these discussions and see just how long they will last before the plug gets pulled. There MUST be moderation on every issue whether we like it or not. There are some things that I could say about some religions that wouldnt go over very good anywhere, but I dont do it. But, this place is probably a minority when it comes to allowing religious discussion and actually having that discussion without it going south continuously. There is hardly another subject that can get as heated and Terry does well to maintain this forum. So, enjoy what it is. Like I said, I challenge you to find one better. All you will find is people screaming and bashing and heated discussion, not praying for each other and respect. But, if thats not good enough for you, I understand. We all want for people to know the truth. All you can do is post the truth and pray that it is received.
  13. jack404

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    things dont get discussed objectively because the discussion objective is to ridicule and make some feel better about their own miserable POS views by being a bully and denying any good from anyone not of the same exclusive brand logo they are
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    And you will be the arbiter of whose views are pos? You have your beliefs and if someone believes differently their views are pos. OK, Now I get it.

    As soon as someone says they believe there is only one way someone may be saved, you label that as hate. But I would suggest to you that your comments on this thread have been more hateful than those of anyone who believes differently.

    Those of us believing that salvation is by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ's works alone, are espousing the tenets of Christianity as expressed in Holy scripture. If you have a problem with that, then you have a problem with the Bible, AND you're denying the very words of Jesus Christ Himself.

    If you believe differently, that's fine, we could have a discussion. But you wont discuss. You just go off on a tirade against every denomination of the Christian church, "brand" as you call it, that you've ever encountered or heard of. Just go back and reread my original comment on this thread, then reread your response to it, then tell me who was intolerant.

    Christians don't condemn anyone. Those who don't accept Christ are condemned already. It's not like we are "better" people by the worlds standards. It's like the entire world was drowning in the ocean and Christ reaches down to rescue all who will take his hand. If we see some refusing to take it and we warn them that they are drowning, you call us hateful.

    What has happened on this forum, is that some will make statements regarding certain beliefs with which others may not agree. But as soon as some Christian professes the Gospel (the good news that Christ has come to save us), we are labeled rude, hateful, insulting, and intolerant, then censored.

    I am perfectly capable of discussing my faith in a civil manner, with anyone of any faith. That's what reasonable people have done for ages. But I'm not permitted to do so because just to express my beliefs is considered insulting and hateful. And yet others can slip in their little comments about the merits of certain religions unchallenged. How fair is that?
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    ROMT so far i've posted some of the replies i've had in the mod's area

    POS views include

    "only my brand of Christianity is valid "

    "that all non brand x should be wiped out"

    that brand x says brand y is not Christian and i'll report you to the DHS is you say they are again ( why DHS ?? they have a division of religous protection? or this a threat to screw up my visa)

    then there where the emails

    some to me , some to a church i posted a pic of that i attend maybe 3 times a year

    took the minister there all night to figure it was me that he was told about

    seems i am a secret mormon , who hates baptists and everything baptist

    i'm still waiting for copies of the ones sent to the head of the baptist union here so i'll know what they where about soon

    POS ?

    yeah i call these acts POS

    as for not condeming folks i seen enough condemnation here to last a lifetime

    frankly i've had a gutfull of the cowards here

    call names and bully then run and cry for protection like redwing and some other low gutless mutts we've had here

    big and brave behind a keyboard but when he realises i am coming has run and told cops all over i threatened him , no i stated i'll get a apology ..

    but now i threatened to harm him according to the BS i have

    no proof but thats ok as he's a good old boy and of the right faith i guess

    and i'm just a scumbag non christian cause i tryed to stop folks jumping on folks who do way more than any other group i ever seen out this way

    by their deeds shall ye know them

    i now know a few here are lowlife complaining liars
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    Wait, I'm confused. You're saying you received those comments as pm's on TFF??? I'd like to see the exact word for word messages. If that's true, they came from trolls, we know they exist. I can't imagine any regular contributor to TFF sending you this crap.
  17. ampaterry

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    Nothing at all wrong with stating what YOUR church believes, ROMT.
    The problem enters when you decide that you have studied all there is to know about church XX, and then list the things wrong with them, and proclaim that they are lost. Or proclaim that they are not Christian.
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    ROMT, you would not BELIEVE the PM's that mod's get here.
    I have been SOUNDLY cursed multiple times.
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    ROMT i've a msg abusing a mod here posted on my minus account wall that i'm locked out of , i cant remove it i can change it as minus got scared i'd delete all i had posted and so locked me out so not to loss the traffic my posts have made

    jack404.minus.com you can look , i'm locked out of my own data


    some folks think if they can find a post by you, they can go there and drag up stuff no-one knows about there and its all good

    i've spent all morning answering phone calls from posts made by folks calling me out

    its quite a crap storm here today ..

    if i'm still a member later on today its due to the decent folks here ...

    so if this crap is Christian works i want out .. and nothing to do with anyone who claims to be a Christian

    i get less attacks from the islamists here

    yes i am mighty ticked , but hey what do i expect , defending those low life pretenders ..

    i'm bad .. but yet not one of ya's will stand up and be a man and own up to the crap

    so i'm in front that way way in front
  20. ampaterry

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    Let me tell you a story, ROMT, that might help you understand why bashing of other Christian groups is not allowed.

    I worked for years with a guy, car pooled with him in fact, who was Catholic. The Church of Christ folks at work were merciless on him, constantly attacking him because he was Catholic, and Catholic's were not Christians, they worship Mary instead of Jesus, etc. etc.

    One night on the way home, he asked me why they picked on Catholics so much. I told him it is due to some of the Catholic doctrine, and he asked what doctrine. I singled out Ex Cathedra, just for an example, and he did not recognize the term. I told him that it meant when the Pope speaks Ex Cathedra, he speaks with the voice of God, and is incapable of speaking an error.
    He sat there for a minute with his eyes wide, then said "Who the HELL believes that?"

    This man was as much a Christian as any person I have ever met.
    He was a Catholic because his parents were Catholic, and he had been career military. He said that no matter where in the world he was, he could go in a Catholic church on Sunday and knew what to expect, so would feel right at home.

    I have never found a church anywhere that I felt everyone in it was lost.
    None.
    I have never found a church anywhere that I felt everyone in it was saved.
    None.

    So we do not bash churches; they are indeed imperfect, and they are filled with imperfect people, and they ALL have doctrine that is incorrect.
    That is the human condition.
    If anyone feels the need to straighten out those false doctrines, they need to do so in person with the church involved, not in a discussion group where they attack members of that church, proclaiming them to not be REAL Christians.
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