Jew,Christian, Mormon, a childs question

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  1. RYANINMICHIGAN

    RYANINMICHIGAN New Member

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    What are the beliefs of Mormons on Lutherans? I do not believe the book of Mormon is scripture. I don't believe in salvation by acts either. I drink and hunt and fight when need be. Do I get to go to heaven?
  2. jack404

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    Ryan , i'm told i'm not a Christian cause i fight the islamists here , cause i defend gun rights and only know how to defend myself when attacked , not how to run away

    all these things some folks say make me not a Christian , but Christ says different

    i trust what He says , and He says we should not judge ,

    now if you dont beleive in Salvation by acts

    the act of submission to Christ dont count ?

    we're all screwed if so eh ..

    oh Lutherans and Mormons run the outback visitation scheme , folks visit folks who are a bit remote and drop in to check they are ok

    seems to be working pretty well actually

    methodists used to run a similar scheme but pulled it a decade or so ago and stick within easy reach of towns and such

    C of E stopped in the 70's

    so now just a few Methodist hard core folks Lutherans Salvation Army and Mormons and whack jobs like me ;)
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  3. targetacqmgt

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    What he said;)
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    targetacqmgt New Member

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    Do you love your family? Are you kind to your wife and children? When we ALL stand before the judgement seat of Chirst and the book of life is opened on each of us the "good" will be weighed against any "evil" -we have not repented of. This is key to all basic Christians Luthern Catholics Baptists LDS etc. AND why Christ bled in the Garden taking ALL of mankinds sins on to him past present and future so we maybe "washed clean" at the last day thru repentance. Sometimes I think about some of my actions in my life and understanding that I personally put some of that pain endured on the Garden and on thee Cross- well I do not feel so good and try to do better. Just saying:)
  5. targetacqmgt

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    Well Done KenV
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    know that story well , makes you wonder how really cool He is eh , after all i've been a dead set mongrel at times .. to friend and foe .. and still he will allow a rat bag like me to get a shot at the greatest gift ever ..

    If thats not a great bloke i dunno what is ..

    and after all the crap stunts i've pulled

    Guess you really have to be God to have that much compassion eh ..
  7. targetacqmgt

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    Yup Father loves ALL his children even us bad boys which is why he gave us free choice and a chance to change SOME of our really bad habits. Good on ya mate!!
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    Hmmmm. You're "not judging here", but you have decided that Mormons are "good people on their way to hell".

    I see. And when you "speak the truth" about Mormons it is is based on your judgment that Mormons "deny Christ's diety", believe "in another Christ", and/or believe "in another gospel" And you make this judgment and declare that Mormons "are cursed" while knowing little or nothing about Mormon doctrine/theology. And yet this is "not judging" and not "narrow mindedness". Uh huh. I hear you.

    If the above is NOT judging, then please define judging.

    If making judgments about others you know little about and then declaring them "cursed" is NOT narrow mindedness, please define narrow mindedness.
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    Neither my wife or I agree with the book of Mormon either and we live in a predominately Mormon area of the country. However, I have the comfortable feeling that Mitt Romney does have the good of the nation in his heart unlike the usurper currently in office. We are a country that has Freedom of Religion and the Mormon church does do a lot of good for humanity. When asked if I would be willing to help in their cannery I was happy to do so. Mormons are certainly good Christians. Most Christian churches in fact try to do good. Don't recall ever hearing of a Mosque donating food or money to help Christians though.

    That was a very good way of explaining the difference to a child.
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  10. 76Highboy

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    So what saves us? Is it the good deeds we do?
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    i thought this covered it Highboy ..

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  12. KenV

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    Mormons believe Lutherans are Christians seeking to become more Christ-like.


    Mormons use the King James Version of the Bible. Mormons also consider the Luther translation of the Bible to be the word of God.

    Mormons believe salvation comes from the gift and grace of God, through the atonement of Jesus Christ.

    Under Mormon theology, absolutely and definitely.
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    Mormons believe salvation comes from the gift and grace of God, through the atonement of Jesus Christ.

    1. Salvation is a gift, it is NOT earned.
    2. The gift of salvation is offered to mankind because God is full of grace and mercy. But he is also perfectly just.
    3. If not for Christ's atonement, God's justice would prevail and we would be eternally lost. Mercy cannot rob justice. However, the atonement of Jesus Christ makes it possible for God to extend his mercy and grace to humanity. Thus through the atonement the requirements of justice are satisfied AND God can gift us with his mercy and grace.

    So what about the above is "not Christian"?
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    True and False Prophets

    15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

    now i dunno your thoughts , on this part of the good book

    but i see a lot of good fruit in the Mormon Church

    i'm not afan of catholasism either but Martin Luther stated as one and soon broke that gang up and help the catholic church grow and be less autocratic

    change comes from the good folks who love God within

    dont like the doctrine ? challenge the Church, the body , but the folks

    look at a folks faith before you decide anything , and watch their deeds

    between the two you'll know if they be Christian

    I beleive in a personal theory ( all mine) about the big bang , thats it was of God the Creator ( it was the act of creation itself and time .. relatively speaking ) and all to get us to about this point in time and space for His plan to come to Fruition

    that make me not a Christian ??

    i guess it does as its not strict bible unless.. narr

    that'd be unacceptable to the Main stream Churches eh

    they'd have to excommunicate me or something eh

    firing squad ?

    my ancestors have been hunted before by the church

    heratics and we place no special attachment to mary .. she was a vessel and blessed so .. but thats all ,

    we gonna start that again ??

    do i need to find a modern day Catherine the great ?
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    Satan was a spirit , all spirits are of God ( or did ol nick have a seperate creator? ) satan was also a angel but old nick got greedy , and got cast out , and that too i believe is part and parcel of God's plan for us all

    look its a bit more indepth and direct but essentially correct , i forget the passage ( psalm i think where all things in heaven are of the one spirit as brothers or something to that effect )

    my statements that we are star dust , and the Bible statement we are clay is similar

    we are the composed sum of input of nutrients based on a cellular organic mechanism

    all of which has come from the cosmos , been reaarrainged in nature by its factories ( plants time and geology

    and here we are
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    I don't know what you studied, but the above is NOT "Mormonism". Not even close. You have an utterly false notion about Mormonism.

    Same reply applies to this question.


    This is hilarious. You go to some off the wall preacher's axe grinding website and then claim to have studied mormonism "in depth for years". If you want to know about the LDS church, go to lds.org or mormon.org.

    On the subject of being "brainwashed" may I suggest you look in the mirror? You appear to have filled your brain with fairy tales about Mormons and believe them to be true.

    In my opinion, this is a great website to learn about an axe grinding version of Christianity that resembles little what Christ taught two millenia ago.
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    Absolutely FALSE.

    False AGAIN. Mormons believe no one knows who will "go to heaven" because ONLY Christ is the judge. I cannot judge myself any better than I can judge you. You apparently have decided you can usurp Christ's role as the only judge of mankind and condemn millions of others to eternal damnation. Good for you.

    God forbids that, and yet here you are placing yourself above Christ by condemning millions (perhaps billions) to eternal damnation. Good for you!
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    Yup. Mormons believe all humans (including Jesus Christ) are the sons and daughters of God. Even Satan was a son of god. Since we all have the same father, we are all brothers and sisters. You appear to be saying that anyone who believes we do not all share the same spiritual father cannot be a Christian. On what do you base your belief?

    And what does this have to do with justice, mercy, grace, salvation, and Christ's atonement, which is the basis of Christianity.
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