JJ Johnson's view on Mongomery...

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  1. armedandsafe

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    I was going to put just a snip here and give you a link, but decided the whole thing needs to be here. It is long.

    Pops

    http://www.sierratimes.com/03/08/24/article_jj.htm
    Ten Commandments on
    Display Has No Legal Standing
    By J.J. Johnson
    Please excuse the shocking title of this article. I will try to get past much of the rhetoric from both sides of the standoff about the en Commandments on display at the State Courthouse in Montgomery, Alabama. As thousands descend to Alabama's state capitol for prayer and defense of a 5300 pound rock, and legal scholars try to sort out the mess, many pundits wonder 'just what point is Chief Justice Roy Moore trying to make?'
    Well, here's one man's take on the matter: Despite all the historical documents from this nation's beginning, and despite everything we were taught from a young age, we are a more 'enlightened' people. We elected more 'enlightened' politicians who in turn appointed more 'enlightened' judges. And these all knowing, all powerful people, having more information at their fingertips than at any time in world history, have ruled that the basic rules of mankind that have been in place for at least 50 centuries have no place ; no legal standing in today's government.

    ...and that is the exact point Roy Moore is making.

    The order to remove the Ten Commandments from public display at the Alabama Court Building is not the cause of a failed government, failed courts, or a failed people - it is instead, the result of it.

    I will do my best here not to preach a sermon or sound like a right-wing zealot, but no one can tell me what is 'offensive' about those ten rules that are, in reality, the foundation of what was American law. But that's ancient history. We are more 'enlightened' today.

    Being the greatest and most powerful country on earth, we don't need silly rules such as those ten. No, we have government today - which has become the new god. And we have finally come to a point where there just isn't enough room on the Grand Stage for two gods. Thus, the courts have consistently ruled in recent days that the 'Other God' must go.

    And so, what if God does leave? What if he actually said, "ok, you guys win - and you're on your own"? That would make us a better country, wouldn't it?

    Of course. And when folks like Jerry Falwell makes a statement on September 11 implying the God has removed his protective hand from us, we won't have to chastise him - since it would have been true.

    And after such tragedies, we won't have national days of prayer, and prayer sessions in Congress while grieving over the dead because there will be no God to pray to. We told Him to get lost, remember? No, let us bow our heads and pray (and pay homage) to the New god of government. They will protect us from now on, and provide for all of our needs.

    Let's not sing God Bless America anymore, since we really don't want him to. That's George W. Bush's job now. And let's remove "In God We Trust" from our currency, since we really don't trust him anymore. We've placed our faith in our money supply to Alan Greenspan.

    And when it comes to religious symbols, we do our best to protect those in the war zone of Iraq, while throwing our own in the trash.

    Makes perfect sense to me.

    Word has it that a guy named Moses had gotten these ten rules straight from God himself. Even though e-mail wasn't around back then, God somehow downloaded them on to a couple of stone tablets. When Moses came back down from that mountain and saw the folks that were led out of slavery acting like too many of us today, he threw the tablets down, and they were forced to wander in the desert for 40 years.

    But today, in the more enlightened America, we don't have to wander in the desert. We have military personnel to do that for us. And little by little, more will go and wander as well. You see, we have a new god now, and the whole world has become a desert.

    So if and when we are plagued with earthquakes, violent storms, endless droughts, brushfires, or just people going crazy and shooting their co-workers or schoolmates, we'll call them "Acts of God", then plead to our new god (government) for our protection from all of these things. Yes, this new god is more to our liking. We can pray, and if the new god doesn't deliver, we can just vote him out of office (federal judges not withstanding). That Old God wouldn't let us do that.

    Isn't it ironic that if everyone simply followed those rules, it would make not only that 5300 pound rock, but that entire building itself - irrelevant?

    With the polls showing upwards of 77% of Alabamians, and the vast majority of Americans supporting the Ten Commandments being displayed at the courthouse, people are scratching their heads wondering, "why can't they just do what the majority wants?"

    Answer: Because we asked for this.

    We have long since slipped away from those tenants - and it's reflected in the people in government that represent us, enforce the laws, and rule on the laws. Yes, America - we didn't get the kind of government we wanted, nor the kind we needed. We get the kind of government we deserve.

    We have become so 'enlightened' that we don't even know how to respect or enforce our own sovereignty. Millions cross our national borders illegally, and our leaders don't even have the will to call it illegal. As a result, we will eventually lose at least 4 southwestern states. I have all but given up trying to make it an issue anymore. We deserve it.

    We have become so 'enlightened' that the only criteria for any judge to sit on a bench, despite all the other important decisions they have to make, depends on his or her willingness to sanction the killing of the unborn. Fine. We didn't want them to take the phrase "Thou shall not kill" seriously, anyway.

    We have become so 'enlightened' that we fight to protect retirement schemes that we know will go broke soon, but that's okay since we've decided to let our grandchildren pay the bill. Then again, if they have no respect for that "Honor thy Father and Mother" thing when they grow up, why should they bother taking care of us?

    We are so 'enlightened' that we find it acceptable to act pre-emptive, killing anyone we see fit to keep us safe, if we think they are a threat. Make sense, since we don't want God's protection anymore. We have to live this way now. We have enemies all around us and even within us we are told - because they envy us. They don't have the new god that we have, and they're jealous.

    Gay Bishops are in, Boy Scouts are out, and sodomy has become a civil right, protected by the Constitution somewhere. Okay, I get it. According to our new god, the oldest industry on earth (agriculture) has become the most dangerous to the environment. And we all know that with all the craziness in schools these days, the last thing we need is prayer inside those buildings. Good thing we threw God out of there a long time ago. Just look at how much schools have improved since then.

    Yes, for government's sake - let's get those Ten Commandments out of public view before something good happens.

    And while we're at it, let's get all those crosses out of Arlington Cemetery. It's public property, you know. And tell all of our troops fighting overseas that worship service is history, turn in those pocket Bibles and as a matter of fact, they must all be atheists in those foxholes.

    Let's do it right: Let us all come to an agreement that when the Bill of Rights was passed, they had no respect for any god, despite the fact that the Constitutional Convention was opened and closed with a Prayer to Almighty God. To Congress: Fire that priest we pay with our tax dollars to open and close each session of Congress with Prayer. We have a new god now, remember?

    And one more thing: Let's not support Israel anymore, since their presence in the holy land is based on scripture, and our government's support would represent an 'establishment of religion'.

    Hey ACLU and SPLC: Wanna take THAT one on?

    Now, as for those people who have dedicated themselves to prevent the monument's removal, and those who have rallied to the cause - take a good look at them. That's what's left of the American ideal that was founded over two centuries ago - like it or not.

    Make no mistake about it. If it weren't for too many trips already taken this year, I'd be there myself from 2000 miles away. Who knows - if the standoff in Alabama lasts, I may still be there. If I lived anywhere in Dixie, I would be writing this article from Montgomery.

    Would I suggest others go? Let's put it this way: You don't even have to be a Christian, Jew or even a Muslim. God knows none of us have lived up the standards of all those rules, but it you believe the Ten Commandments should REMAIN the foundation on which this country is based, then take a drive down to Montgomery. Your fellow Americans are waiting for you.

    And what about you, Mr. Bush? The silence from the White House is deafening. Is this only a "state issue" where the federal government should not get involved? If that were the case, we wouldn't be in this mess. I would not only pray for protection of the Ten Commandments, but that the President, during his fund raising travels, make a stop in Montgomery to visit with the Chief Justice, or maybe the people standing vigilant outside.

    Odds are, they all voted for George W. Bush.

    You see America: There is no sense looking for a legal loophole to save the Ten Commandments anymore, as God has no legal standing left in today's courts, government, or much of society. But the way things look from my piece of the world, perhaps it's time we invited Him back.

    Just my opinion,

    J.J. Johnson

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  2. Gunfyter

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    How sad but true. In all of this, I don't understand how the zealots have not taken the SCOTUS to task for displaying the Ten Commandments on their hallowed walls?
  3. warpig

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    That is a great article. How true.
  4. Marlin

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    J.J. always seems to have his sights in the right place and the bullet dead centre.

    The sad thing about his comments are that they are absolutely true and no amount of pussy footing will alter that fact.

    Until we all have the guts to stand up and be counted, all is lost. In fact, all may well be lost already.
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    Very well stated, J.J. It isn't a debate about religion, it's about our heritage and values as a nation.
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    Welcome to TFF, Old Scout.

    We sincerely hope that you will join us often and please post often. We have a bunch of fine people here who are quite congenial and very knowledgable.
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    Marlin, Thanks for the warm welcome. I've been browsing here for a few weeks and was impressed by the great bunch that seems to have settled at this site. Looks like a lot of collective knowledge as well.
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    Welcome, Old Scout! Glad you finally decided to post. Hope to hear from you often.


    Thanks for the article, Pops. It's long, but well worth taking the time to read. It's important that we all take a stand to protect our rights from further degradation, and to get back to the principles of our Founding Fathers.
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    Welcome to our little piece of cyberspace Old Scout. As time goes on and you become more fmiliar with the site, I'm sure you will be even more imprssed with what we have to offer.
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    Excellent article! I applaud the judge for standing up for his beliefs and morals. Its good to see that not everyone has thrown the towel in. Definitely worth reading plus I agree with it.

    I fail to see what was so offensive about this monument. OTOH, I find the government to be offensive with its tactics.

    I don't understand why there isn't prayer in school either! I spent eight years in a catholic military school and we said prayers EVERYDAY, then we said the Pledge of Allegiance. I turned out just fine.

    Aside from other problems, I believe the root cause is that few people know what the definition of RESPECT is! I'm so sick and tired of people blaming others for their own problems. They have NO respect for themselves so naturally they don't have respect for others!

    Before this nation goes in the toilet the rest of the way it wouldn't hurt for people to get some religion, backbone, intelligence,........and respect for theirself,our country and their fellow man!!



    Sorry for the rant guys (rant mode off).


    And before I forget welcome to the board Old Scout!!
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    Well put, Mauser, and definitely NOT a RANT.

    We need to say it again, and again, and again on ad finitum!

    It is a crime that 99% of the people relying on the media think this was a religious or 10 Commandment question. I know Roy well and he has always been focused on the basic Constitutional issues that our Forefathers envisioned. This is a question of the 1st and the 10th amendments: focusing on the powers of government and how they are being routinely usurped each day.

    We need to keep up the fight and to do our best to ensure that the glorious vision remains the focal point of our great republic.
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    Regarding our forefathers AND religion many people forget or just don't care to know that quite a few areas of the original thirteen colonies were settled because of religious intolerance in England!

    Two places come immediately to mind. One place was Plymouth Rock with the Pilgrims (1620). Number two was Maryland. Maryland was first settled in 1631 on Kent Island,oficially became a colony in 1632, and in 1649 the colony passed a RELIGIOUS TOLERATION ACT! Maryland was the first to pass an act of this sort but not the only colony to do so.


    I mention this because people have forgotten their roots and lost their way. The laws of this country didn't start out being separate from religion. Modern man did that!


    IMHO,the TEN COMMANDMENTS are just as important today as they were in the beginning!


    The history books in school seldom teach about the "Founding Fathers" and American History....... This is a disgrace pure and simple!

    Now the government(OUR GOVERNMENT) with its heavy handed tactics has let it be known by their deeds what their feelings are about the TEN COMMANDENTS !


    Our Constitution and Bill of Rights was influenced by English law which itself is based on the Magna Carta.


    The first words of the Preamble of the Magna Carta from 1215 reads "John,by the Grace of God"........ They believed in GOD 788 years ago AND though him important enough to be included in this legal document. What is our problem?


    Why then does the government want to distance itself from the TEN COMMANDENTS which is GODS LAW ! Are we to become a nation of heathens and hypocrites ?
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