Legalization of marijuana

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  1. jim brady

    jim brady Active Member

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    Federal laws trumps State law. Period. Passing this might make those who use it feel empowered, but it really makes no difference. Of course, with Eric Holder running the DOJ, the feds might not enforce it - UNLESS they can get revenue from fines. Might just help pay for Obama Care.

    The 'Loonies" here in Colorado? We had the same thing in California in the 1960's - folks moving there from the East Coast who re-created California to their likeing. I live here in rural Colorado (where people are really people), and only go into Yuppieville (Denver/Boulder/Fort Collins) as absolutely necessary.

    Sort of like the folks who move to the U.S. to escape from cesspool countries and bring their culture and problems with them. Makes sense to me........ Socialist Professors and Teachers steer their little robots to vote for Socialism - maybe the law should be changed so that out-of-state students must return to their home states to vote?
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  2. robman2629

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    I would be for legalizing it if it were absolutely controllable. But you cant control it. Just like alcohol though, there are people still making moonshine. The biggest thing is what about people serving time for possesion or sale of marijuana? Do we just let them out? Or do we say because they got arrested before the las passed they have to stay? California tried to do this years ago and it got shot down because federal law is higher than state so even if it does pass, its pointless. Im actually surprised that we havent had a proposition yet here in Maine. The biggest fight up here was to get gay marriage legalized. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
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    Colorado Governor is waiting for a call from Erick Holder tomorrow, 10-08-12, to see how the Feds. are going to handle this.
    The state of Colorado wants to use the tax revenue for schools. That is a fact.
    It's a wait & see. We already have pot shots for Medical purposes.
    R.
  4. jim brady

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    'They wanna use the tax revenues from pot sales for schools'? NO WAY!!!! I live in Colorado, too. They said the same thing about the State Lottery funds going for State Park funding. You betcha they used it like that. In a pigs eye they did. The 'Temporary Tax' to fund that C-470 Highway, remember how it was going to be paid for in ten years and then the tax removed. Never happened. The list goes on and on.

    IF the State gets away with letting people grow and sell pot - and I seriously doubt that the Feds will let them after Eric Holder is gone - any revenue from pot is going straight into the State piggybank/slop trough and spent on whatever the hogs in the State Capital want to spend it on. Who's going to stop them? They won't listen to me, and I don't think they will listen to you.

    Medical Purpose Marijuana. Lots of really sick young folks out there. Must be some bug going around school campuses and dorm parties. For $400 it's easy to find an MD to write you a perscription for the same bug. Sounds like you got sold a bill of goods.
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    It does and here's the bigger rub; The feds get to pick and choose what laws they uphold and which ones they wink at. Pass a medical Marijuana law? Keep it under control and it's a "state's rights" issue. Maine decides to uphold our constitution and completely legalize all firearms? The feds would send in so many people the state would tip over.
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    Perhaps part of the point is to actively challenge the federal law from a Tenth Amendment perspective.
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    Maybe.
  8. Dog Soldier

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    Colorado used to be a conservitive western state. It is now the intermountain California. They have a thriving dope trade and animal rights is bigger than hunting. The next thing will be same sex marriage. The Homoselfish movement is big in Colorado.:(
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    As they have already done the guy in Montana who makes the 80 percent lowers. He wants to make 100 percent lowers and sell them without a FFL..
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    My theory is the U.S. govt. doesn't want weed legal because THEY are the weed dealers right now. They sell to insurance companies for the cancer etc. patients and they sell to the pharmaceutical companies doing drug research. They have the market cornered. And, we know the government and insurance companies are both crooked so there is some serious $$$ being made by someone when those 2 organizations work together.
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    no federal authority is allowed to arrest or even enter any county of any state UNLESS the sheriff allows the feds into his county.
    the sheriff is the most powerful law officer in the country IN his county.
    no federal power can trump him legally.....
    that is why the fed is trying to under mine the power of the sheriff by moving toward nullification of the county sheriffs thru out the union of states.
    if this occurs we WILL be living in an iron clad regime!
    so unless the county sheriff's of corlorado, washington state or massachsetts allow the feds into their counties then the feds are powerless.

    then again, most sheriffs are ignorant of their real duties and constitutional powers. they are minor politicians running a cop shop looking for the next election...so,.... the chance to cave in to the fed is very real.

    s.m.
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    Source for this claim? I hear it quite a bit, but nobody has been able to show where it comes from.
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    So what do you do now with all the people who have been locked up with pot related charges? Do you let them go? What a delema?
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    Yes, it's a very good idea to legalize marijuana for medicinal purposes. But since it is now legal to use marijuana for medicinal purposes, we cannot question a person if he has possession of marijuana for he may reason out that he's using it as medicine.

    I think this is better, at least the government will provide jobs to people. :D

    Legal pot not jackpot for potheads
  15. ampaterry

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    I prob'ly won't win any popularity contests with this, but here goes.

    I keep hearing about how MJ is not as addictive as booze or cigarettes.
    Yet people get arrested, fined, jailed for JM use, get out, and SMOKE IT AGAIN.
    Over and over.

    We hired a guy at work in the Drafting dept.
    He was a GOOD drafter.
    During his second week, the boss called him in to his office and informed him that he had failed the urine drug test which all new employees took.
    The following conversation ensued:
    Boss: "We know that some medications can effect this test, so we won't let you go immediately. We have re-scheduled the test for three weeks from now, the XX of XX, and you need to pass that one to remain employed here."
    Drafter: "Thank you, OK."
    Boss: "Do you understand what I am telling you? You have to pass this drug test in three weeks, the XX of XX?"
    Drafter: "I understand. Thank you."

    In three weeks, on the date scheduled, he took the test again.
    He failed it again.

    Guys, this does NOT sound like something non-addictive. This sounds like something that once you are hooked on it, you will risk fines, jail time, unemployment, ANYTHING, just to keep using.
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    Ya just cant fix stupid.
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    How do you keep it out of the hands of the kids if it's easily available. Do you think teenagers will respect the laws? Kids think they are invincible. My wife is a teacher, she has had kids under the age of 12 show up at school with bags of pot; would you want your child experiencing this sort of thing at school. The easier, more socially acceptable drugs become, the more problems will occur. It's a stepping stone to acid, then coke, then heroin for many people. Do we want as a society more people negatively impacted by drug usage? Coming from one who went down that road for a couple years early in my life, grew up, never did it again, but Hep C will kill me someday down the road over it all. I'm not saying throw all pot heads in jail, just to think about the repercussions. When it affects you personally, you see some things differently.
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    I will not say that mariquana is all good and perfect (it should be treated just like alcohol if legalized), but it fails to compare to the evils of booze and cigs.

    Medically speaking, can anyone here tell me that Alcohol and/or Cigarettes are better for human consumption, than MJ?

    Can you die of an overdose on MJ, like you can on booze?

    Does MJ give you Cancer at a higher rate than Tobacco?

    Police officers, who would you rather arrest? A mean drunk or angry pothead.

    Compare how many people (millions) die every year from alcohol abuse, tobacco abuse, and pot abuse.

    I am not giving any numbers, look up the facts, then come back to this thread and say which is worse.
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  19. robman2629

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    Great points. Completely agree. We have passed the use of medical MJ and just today there was some talk of legalizing it for other uses. These people never stop coming up with the next best thing to pick a battle over.
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    There was a lot that happened to bring this to Colorado. They voted ok on medical, then ran the dispensories out of town in another vote. Its a mess over here. DA said they will no longer prosecute possession if they are 21. No one knows how to regulate it...work places struggling..tons of infighting...should be an interesting year.
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