Let's do our own poll....

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by polishshooter, Sep 15, 2012.

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Are you voting this year, if so for WHOM?

Poll closed Sep 19, 2012.
  1. Definitely Obama/Biden...

    3 vote(s)
    3.1%
  2. Definitely Romney/Ryan...

    90 vote(s)
    93.8%
  3. Undecided yet....

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  4. I will not vote, or am not registered....

    3 vote(s)
    3.1%
  1. polishshooter

    polishshooter Active Member

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    And Grump? I admire your Libertarian streak. There IS a time and place for that, but unfortunately it isn't NOW.

    You in your posts sound like a true patriot, you even express your love for this country and wanting to SAVE it...

    Then DO it, Dammit!

    Get off your high horse and VOTE for Romney in November.


    YES we may NOT be saving it if Romney wins...YES we may be just prolonging the inevitabe...it might STILL crumble...

    But it is OVER if Obama wins. And when it ALL crumbles, who says what follows is remotely "Consitutional" at all???

    If history is what you think you know, then remember that the ONLY thing that EVER follows the end of a Republic is a Tyranny, be it Caesar Augustus or Adolph Hitler....and then bloodshed...Is THAT what you WANT for your professed beloved Country??????

    Yeah, we all have to prepare for that eventuality that MAY happen in our lifetime no matter who we vote for, BUT who do you think will live and work more CLOSELY to the Constitution, Romney or OBAMA??? NOBODY else counts NOW. It WILL be one of them.

    That may not be much, but that IS all we have, right here, right NOW.

    And if it carries through, Republicans take over the Senate, and maintain control of the House, AND more Conservatives get seats in both houses, AND we can throw out the RINO Republican leaders and hold Romney's feet to the fire, there is a good chance we can start reversing this mess...and when the economy rebounds which is will, MAYBE we can bury the "Progressives" once and for all...just MAYBE...



    BUT, if anyone claims to love Freedom and wants to save our Republic as we know it and want it to be better and more closely aligned with what it was in the past, but does NOT vote for Romney in Novemeber....

    ...they are WORSE than those misguided fools voting for Obama...they are intentionally voting against America and Amercan Freedom as we know and love it....and they KNOW BETTER.



    This is Washington and The Continental Army freezing and starving on the west bank of the Delaware...NOBODY gave them a chance against Howe or Cornwallis ...everyone has written them off, and some "patriots" ARE even backbiting in Philadelphia.


    November is our Trenton....

    Yeah, VALLEY FORGE and even tougher times WILL follow...but EVENTUALLY if we pull TOGETHER, on THIS side, we WILL beat those B@st@rds...


    And yeah, Old Grump, we need YOUR help now so we can start rowing across the river....
  2. Appliancedude

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    Hey Tweedle Dee I can call names too if you'd like. Vote whoever you want to. I'm telling you, whoever you vote for is not going to win. Think he will. Vote for him. We will see. If you don't vote for Obama or Romney, your guy isn't even gonna get 10% of the vote. But hey your a smart guy. 10% wins right? You can call me stubborn because I want to see the muslim gone. Whatever Tweedle Dee. Romney wasn't my guy, but HE IS THE ONLY MAN ON THE PLANET THAT HAS A CHANCE TO UN-THRONE OBAMA!!!!!!!! Don't get it do you? You still think the guy your gonna vote for can win don't ya? Yea I'm stuborn:rolleyes:.

    Oh wait, whats that, you don't think he can win? Your just making a political statement. Well then maybe your not Tweedle Dee, maybe your his brother. What was his name again?

    Lets make change. I'm with ya Tweedle Dee. Right after the Nov election, I will cease to be a Republican. And I will vote for the guy who represents me not a party I have disassociated myself from. If he happens to have a R after his name so be it. I will no longer be a all Republican voter. But this election is different. O has got to go. Well Tweedle Dee, happy voting to ya.
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  3. polishshooter

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    OK, Third Party Guys, here is how it CAN and SHOULD work....

    We NEED to replace one of our National Parties, I will grant you that...the ONLY way that happens and has EVER happened is if one of the two MAIN parties implodes on itself and disintegrates into backbiting factions....

    The Party that SHOULD be doing that is the DEMOCRAT party...more factions than any in history, gays, commies, minorities, illegal immigrants, Union thugs, "victims...."

    Hell, it should have happened ALREADY...and I thought it would have after Reagan...MOST of the time in our history when a party loses in a LANDSLIDE they reassess, have a "Civil War," and come back CHANGED

    But they regrouped by appear to be running a "CONSERVATIVE," (Yeah, I know, a FRAUD) Bill Clinton, while quietly getting their ultra Liberal "Progressives" into positions of power in Congress, and running their money....and DOUBLED DOWN on their Liberalism in different clothing...


    LIBERALISM is what is killing our Country folks, yeah, from BOTH parties, but the ones PUSHING it down our throats every day is the DEMOCRATS!!! Can we agree on THAT much?


    With ONE MORE landslide, the revolt will happen on the OTHER side, and you should see any Democrats that still llove America (There are some left) become REPUBLICANS, and the Democrat party degenerates into a "Fringe" whack-o party, and the VACUUM gets filled by a third party....the way it has ALWAYS worked...

    Except now with the Influx of Dems, and the continued influence of the RINOs, the REPUBLICAN party becomes the new "Main" party of the LEFT, although more RIGHT than the former Democrats....KInda like a European- "Social- Democratic" Party....which in THEIR politics many times is the MOST Conservative as opposed to LABOUR parties....:cool: That still is BAD, but it now happens more SLOWLY so we can form and oppose THEM...when it will COUNT.

    Because when THAT happens it opens the door for the "CONSERVATIVE PARTY" to push from the RIGHT, at which time TRUE conservatives bail from the Republicans and embrace the REAL Conservatives...

    It will take a few cycles, and the Republicans will dominate for a WHILE, until the Conservatives gain enouhg supposrt to win nationally, but THAT is how the Republic is saved...

    The ALTERNATIVE?

    REPUBLICANS implode FIRST????


    Then the Democrats dominate for DECADES, it simply EMBOLDENS the Liberals within their party, They can say SEE???? Liberalism and Socialism is what they WANT!!!:mad::mad::mad: There will be NO Constitution left for any of us Conservatives to DEFEND, much less run "within the system" to change it...




    No, most of us here will NOT be Republicans some day. But there STILL must be a Republican PARTY we can fight....


    The DEMOCRAT party MUST be the one to "Go Away....."


    But we need that Landslide NOW, it IS within our grasp to make this work, in 40 some DAYS, not in DECADES....
  4. kentuckyrifleman

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    I know this is something we all feel strongly about, and I am new here, but guys cant' we have a discusion without calling each other names? I like TFF because it seemed every one was civil, I can find people calling each other names all over the web. Seems to me that republicans and liberaterins are pretty close together, to close to be turning on each other.

    Like I said, I'm new here, so maybe its none of my business, but you all seem like friends and I hate to see it.
  5. kentuckyrifleman

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    Oh, and Polishshooter I am going to disagree with you here. I respect youre' knowledge on a lot of subjects (fireararms, military, even politics) but that comment "where did you get your degree" was a cheap shot. Just becuase someone did not get a chance to get higher education like you did (and I am not saying you didnt' earn it, Im sure you did) doesn't mean they don't have opinions that are good. From reading your posts for over a year now I geuss, I thought you at least knew what it was to work with your hands. Just going to college doesn't mean youre better then somebody else.
  6. Old Grump

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    Federalist Party 1789
    Anti-Federalist Party 1789
    Democratic-Republican Party 1792
    Toleration Party 1816
    Anti-Masonic Party 1826
    National Republican Party 1825
    Nullifier Party 1830
    Whig Party 1833
    Liberty Party 1840
    Law and Order Party of Rhode Island 1840
    Free Soil Party 1848
    Anti-Nebraska Party 1854
    American Republican Party 1843
    American Party (a.k.a. "Know-Nothings") 1854
    Opposition Party 1854
    Constitutional Union Party 1860
    Unconditional Union Party 1861
    National Union Party, 1864
    Readjuster Party 1870
    People's Party of Utah 1870
    Liberal Party (Utah) 1870
    Liberal Republican Party 1872
    Greenback Party 1874
    Socialist Labor Party of America 1876
    Anti-Monopoly Party 1884
    People's Party (a.k.a. "Populists") 1887
    Silver Party 1892
    National Democratic Party ("Gold Democrats") 1896
    Silver Republican Party 1896
    Social Democratic Party 1898
    Home Rule Party of Hawaii 1900
    Socialist Party of America 1901
    Independence Party (a.k.a. "Independence League") 1906
    Progressive Party 1912 (a.k.a. "Bull Moose Party") 1912
    National Woman's Party 1913
    Non-Partisan League 1915
    Farmer-Labor Party 1918
    Proletarian Party of America 1920
    Progressive Party 1924 1924
    Communist League of America 1928
    American Workers Party 1933
    Workers Party of the United States 1934
    Union Party 1936)
    American Labor Party 1936
    America First Party 1944
    States' Rights Democratic Party (a.k.a. "Dixiecrats") 1948
    Progressive Party 1948
    Vegetarian Party 1948
    Constitution Party 1950s)
    American Nazi Party 1959–
    Puerto Rican Socialist Party 1959
    Mississippi Freedom Democratic Party 1964
    Black Panther Party 1966
    Youth International Party (a.k.a. "Yippies") 1967
    Communist Workers Party 1969
    People's Party 1971
    New Union Party 1974
    U.S. Labor Party 1975
    Concerned Citizens Party 1975
    Citizens Party 1979
    New Alliance Party 1979
    Populist Party of 1s 1984
    Looking Back Party 1984
    Independent Party of Utah 1988
    A Connecticut Party 1990
    New Party 1992
    Natural Law Party 1992
    Veterans Party 2003–
    Christian Freedom Party 2004
    Personal Choice Party 2004
    Boston Tea Party 2006

    George Washington – no party
    John Adams - Federalist
    Thomas Jefferson - Democratic-Republican
    James Madison - Democratic-Republican
    James Monroe - Democratic-Republican
    John Quincy Adams - Democratic-Republican
    Andrew Jackson – Democratic
    Martin Van Buren – Democratic
    William Henry Harrison – Whig
    John Tyler – Whig/no party
    James K Polk – Democratic
    Zachary Taylor – Whig
    Millard Fillmore - Whig
    Franklin Pierce – Democratic
    James Buchanan – Democratic
    Abraham Lincoln – Republican/National Union
    Andrew Johnson - Democratic/National Union/No Party

    The point of this list is there is nothing sacred about the parties in power and the festering corruption in our government is cause enough to replace them. They have only been a two party monopoly since the Civil war and the parties today are a far cry from the charters that established them in the first place. They no longer represent us but themselves and the only way to get them out of office and to put a clean broom in their seat is to have courage and do what is right instead of what EVERYBODY says is right. Bowing to peer pressure is the worst form of pandering to the lowest common denominator and it means nobody but the top monkey is thinking.

    Tweedle Dee over and out.
  7. jstgsn

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    blah blah blah blah.... There is a fight. There are two men in the ring and a ref. Only one of the men can win, so to prove a point you are going to vote for the ref. Not a smart bet in my opinion. It has the same weight as the opinion of the women in the balcony saying the fight should be banned cause they can't choose the winner. After the fight they will complain bitterly. And they will die never having a say in the outcome. :p
  8. CampingJosh

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    No one here minds a good discussion. Or even a heated one.

    But let's be done with the name calling.
  9. polishshooter

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    Old Grump, you made my POINT!!

    How many of them were SUCCESSFUL parties and actually got a President or Control of CONGRESS ELECTED, and HOW did they do it????

    ONLY the Federalists and Anti-Federalists...at first...

    Then the Democrat-Republican which became the Democrat party replaced the Anti-Federalists when they imploded....


    THEN the Whigs who replaced the Federalists when THEY imploded....


    Then the Republicans who replaced the Whigs when THEY imploded.


    Since then, ???????

    EVERY OTHER PARTY YOU list (so far,) is a FOOTNOTE you looked up on the internet. Before the internet you wouldn't even HAVE the list because they made so little impact on our politics OR History....probably you would have only heard of the Bull Moose party, who caused a highly POPULAR Former President to lose in a LANDSLIDE...


    One of the MAJOR parties IMPLODED. And "a" "minor" one in the right place at the right time with the right message REPLACED it.

    That's the ONLY way it works.

    Just think how EFFECTIVE our system would have been if we gave EACH of them a seat at the table, with maybe 1.27% or so of the vote in congress? Our next President could very WELL be the leader of the "Vegetarian Party" who cobbled together 5.6% of the national vote because of his "Day Job" as the host of a GAME SHOW....;)

    You think what we have NOW is bad, look at the History of ANY "Coalition Democracy" in History!!! You want to have our History run by a government like ITALY has????

    Or FRANCE???

    We are the ONLY country that has a two party system Democracy....and we have lasted longer and have been more SUCCESSFUL and more FREE than ANY other....

    But it AIN'T perfect. Never was, never will BE. But only the BEST ever in History.....so far....
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  10. polishshooter

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    KY, I begrudge NO one his money, his knowledge, his education, his experience, his background or whatever he has earned.

    My father dropped out of the 8th grade to work on his family farm during the Depression, and I learned more from HIM than any other man (or Woman?) on Earth.

    But if I was a WELDER by training, and somebody said 'You need to learn how to run a bead" I would be as offended.

    "Sorry old buddy. I won't go into all the ways you are wrong but lets say your statement shows a remarkably lack of historical knowledge."

    THAT was the only thing that really got me, along with the fact he "suggested" I read more, and I have probably read more books AND used them as sources in papers that I have written than he has........

    ....well, I won't make the claim I was going to make just to show some restraint...:cool:


    And I WON'T get into him calling us "Gutless Cowards, Neanderthals, and referring to OUR "mule like stuborness..."

    The pot and the kettle?;):)



    My point I was trying to make is that nobody here should EVER assume ANYBODY here DOESN'T have knowledge about ANYTHING, much LESS that somebody here just MIGHT possibly know more about what you think you are the "expert" on than YOU do...God knows I have been humbled HERE by members on stuff I AM an expert at...:p

    EVERYBODY here brings something to the discussion, but "Holier than Though" we can all do without.

    And "Holier than though" Libertarians can be ALMOST as annoying as "Holier than though" Liberals and Progressives....


    ALMOST because I AGREE with 80% or more of what the Libertarians BELIEVE!!!;)
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  11. polishshooter

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    And oh yeah, I KNOW the old saying...

    "Never argue with a fool because others won't be able to tell the difference...":p

    You all should know me by now, I am POLISH:D:D.....I will argue with ANYBODY....about ANYTHING....;):p:p




    And yeah many times I am FULLY capable of either BEING or BECOMING the "fool" in the argument....:eek::eek:;):D:D




    But GOD knows I love to argue!!!:p





    And it is MUCH too late in life for me to change....;)
  12. kentuckyrifleman

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    Well Polish if that is realy how you feel then, why do you get all high and mitey about advantages you had that other people dont'. Just because some one didnt' get a chance for a fancy education you should not look down on them. There opinion is just as good as yours'.

    Arguing is okay but you should not talk down to people like you do just because you think your there betters.
  13. Appliancedude

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    Hey man, I'm gonna cut you some slack, but........ Please be so kind as to go back and re read the thread. When someone tell someone else to go read some books and then tries to give facts post #52, they open themselves up for criticism. I think Polish was perfectly fine in what he said. I don't see you criticizing Old Grump for what he said first. Just my take on your post
  14. Double D

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    I completely agree with voting 3rd party. It would be great. Now, someone please show me a real strong third party candidate that this country can really get behind........someone who can stir the people and actually draw the votes...a strong candidate with heart....still waiting.....oh well, maybe next time...I really hope so. I would love to see a patriot type candidate emerge and sweep the nation....its just not Ron Paul......
  15. kentuckyrifleman

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    You might be right I guess when I first got on here Polishs posts were the reason I decided to join the TFF. So I guess I tend to follow his posts and kinda looked up to him, so maybe I took what he said to personal becuase I did not get a chance for to much education.
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    +1!
  17. polishshooter

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    KY, I am sorry if you misunderstood my posts.

    My Dad was a blue collar guy, never finished 8th grade, a WWII vet, worked his @ss off for his family, got a wierd form of sclerosis, everything that pointed to Lou Gehrigs disease EXCEPT he didn't die in less than 4 years...dragged on like MS, more and more dependent on the wheelchair, until he got on SSI, except he wasn't completely bedridden UNTIL he got cancer on top of it which eventually killed him...and YEAH he was a tough "Taskmaster..." for all of his 5 kids...he wanted us to have it BETTER than he did...

    Except for the $97/month child allowance SSI my mom RELIGIOUSLY put in my checking account the 8 months I was in school each year, but KEPT when I was home on vacations and summers for room and board...

    I paid my OWN way through college...Yeah, with a few minor scholarships, but by WORKING full and part time, multiple jobs, as a carpenter's helper and a floorwalker catching shoplifters in a Department Store...AND working my @ss off in all the "spare time" I had when I wasn't working for somebody else or in school, hauling scrap metal when Sheet Metal paid $20/ton not $250/ton like it does NOW, with a truck I paid for, thank you very much...

    DON'T give me crap about ADVANTAGES... ANYBODY back then could have gone to college if they WORKED for it....


    And YEAH, I had to pay back loans, and I wonder if I EVER got back that "investment...."

    NOW? Since Clinton, and the bullcrap FAFSA, Yeah, you have to EITHER have PARENTS willing to sacrifice everything to pay the bills, ORbe on welfare then the government pays EVERYTHING.

    No more can anybody pay their OWN way through college like I did.

    That is ONE of the reasons I am STILL poor...since both my kids did NOT declare independence and go on welfare like the Democrats WANT them to do...so the government WILL pay their way through collelge..I paid for BOTH of them, the amount the government said I HAD to ...:mad:

    KY, I had NO advantages to go to college...in fact, you sound like a Liberal Democrat to even SUGGEST that...

    I earned my OWN way through school thank you very much, just like ANY American USED to be able to...


    DON'T give me any crap about my "advantages", KY, PLEASE...
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  18. polishshooter

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    And KY, I love you to DEATH...don't misunderstnad me..

    "Education" is RELATIVE....you PAY for it ONE way or another...

    It doesn't matter whether you work your @ss off in a coal mine or work your @ss off to go to college...

    EACH of us has our own "Education" if both of us has WORKED for our experiences...

    Yeah I may have more "Book Learning" than most guys have but I can STILL use a chainsaw and read a tree because my Dad was a logger....and I can STILL mix concrete and pour a driveway or sidewalk because my dad was ALSO a concrete man and I can STILL roof a house or do MOST carpenter work because Dad was ALSO a carpenter and my brother was too and I WORKED for him when he was a contractor...I can STILL turn a wrench and tear down an engine because Dad said you had to do it BECAUSE you couldn't afford to pay someone else to do it for you...

    ..and I CAN drive a Mack dump truck and operate a paver and grade at least a lttle with a John Deere grader and a maintainer and work a loader and tamp and shovel and lute and run a heavy and a finish roller with the best of them laying asphalt since I HAD to do it when I lost my job for a few years that my EDUCATION got me....

    And yeah I have raced, fished, hunted, built guns, shot in competition, golfed, landscaped, downed trees, cut and sold firewood, worked on cars, and a bunch of OTHER stuff I can't even begin to remember, in my life that had NOTHING to do with my formal "Education..."

    I do NOT EVER begrudge anyone their "Education," formal or OTHERWISE.

    The school of "Hard Knocks" is as much of a school as ANY school of "higher learning."

    All I ask is for anybody NOT to begrudge the " Book Learning" I worked for and EARNED....

    Yeah, I have been in the trenches with enough "College Boys" that couldn't find their @ss in the dark with both hands in the "Real World..."

    But not EVERY "College Boy" does not have the same "Real World" experience that YOU do...
  19. kentuckyrifleman

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    Calm down.

    Didnt' you see the part were I wrote that I am sure you earned your degree?

    But just because you got one doesnt mean you can insult people who happen to disagree with you.

    Now that is CRAP!!
  20. polishshooter

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    KY, I will go back and review the posts to see where I may have insulted anyone who disagreed with me....I do not remember any "insults" that did not insult me first...

    ....and if they hadn't insulted me first I will apologize in advance.
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