Lightweight deer gun

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  1. jack404

    jack404 Former Guest

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    243 too small for deer ??

    1x 22WMR ( it just walked out in front of me , i was chasing foxes , but 30 yards POP )

    2x 223 60 yards and 130 (maybe a bit more but not that much )

    1 x .17 Hmr ( never again ... got rid of it )

    3x 5.56 nato all 100-140 yards ( ambush in a narrow pass from above )

    the rest .308 and thats this year ... but as ya can see the listed ones are way under a .243's capabilities

    wish i had a rifle today , on the train to the city today the biggest stag i ever saw here just watching over 3 ladies in a clearing 60 yards from the train line , not a care in the world
  2. Zhurh

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    If ya can hunt with semi, get an AR. Last few years, we have been almost hunting with AR's exclusively mainly because they carry so nice on 4 wheelers & snowmacines with a 2 point sling and with 16 inch barrel very short in length. All my kids started with 556's chasing wolves & caribou. My 6.8 spc is like a 22, recoil and usually I have a 10 round clip. We killed bear, caribou, wolves, lynx, pretty much everything except moose so far with the 6.8s. They are around 800 bucks, never regret getting one.
  3. carver

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    How far will she be shooting? Will the gun do other duty than hunting deer? If she is inside 150 yards, I would recomend a lever gun in the .44 Mag. All the knock down you need, low recoil, and accurate.
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    I deal with a lot of hunters who can not shoot paper, much less an animal when the adrenaline dump hits them. I like to ponder what the rifle they are equipped with will accomplish when less than ideal hits are the norm. I do not like the 6mm round for novice hunters. I like to figure in a pretty large forgiveness factor into the equation of round selection.
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    I've hunted with many calibers, from a .375 H&H to a 25/06 and .243. The .243 will do the job to 300 yards. !00 gr. bullet same weight as 25/06 but a little less velocity. If she likes a lever rifle, try to find a Savage model 99c with the box magazine in .243 Win. Used but not much more than several new bolt actions, and good for several lifetimes. Depending on condition in my area from $400 to $600. No need to cycle cartridges through the action when unloading with the box magazine. Open the action, remove the magazine, and it's an empty rifle.
  6. Sandman

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    Anyone who uses a .243 will tell you that it will easily take any deer in this country. IMO it is the perfect deer caliber. I have larger, but seldom use them unless I am elk hunting. I have killed deer and large hogs well beyond 200 yards with mine with no problems. I use the 100grain loads and if you put that bullet where you are supposed to, the deer is going no where. And it doesn't matter if it is a northern whitetail or a West Texas deer.

    You will not be disappointed with the .243 should you go that route. I would also recommend the used Ruger M77. They are great rifles.
  7. Sandman

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    I think a novice will wound more animals trying to use a larger caliber. I do not believe that you can compensate for a lack of ability with brute firepower. Rather than making up for a bad shot, that will cause bad shots.
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    I'm with you, Sandman. The .243 will do the job on any deer in the country if hit proper. Last season I killed a, North Carolina, 10pt. Field dressed at 204 lbs. One shot to the boiler room with an, 85gr. Sierra BTHP put him down on the spot.
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    My experiences do not seem to agree. My wife being a prime example. She shot 4 deer with a .243 and my dog could not even find them. I finally told her I have had enough with this, hunt with my rifle. I gave her my .264 Win mag. loaded up to super screaming, primer backing, non reloadable cases, velocity. A very large 8 point buck walked out at 260 yards. She shot him right smack in the middle of the body hitting nothing but guts. The deer dropped like it was struck with a ton of rocks, got up and ran about 60 yards, leaving a blood and guts trail a blind man could follow. Had she shot him in the same place with the .243, a couple hours and a tired dog later we still would have found no deer.
    I can go on and on with similar examples.
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    I can see one issue right there in print.. Your letting an uncertain shooter take an uncertain shot at far too great a distance for an uncertain shooter to be shooting in the first place. Its not the size of the caliber that drops game, its the placement of the bullet. Gutshooting a deer at 260 yds with a .264 winmag is cruel. That deer dropped because the kinetic shock of the bullet broke its spine. I guarantee you that deer suffered until it bled out and finally passed away..

    My go to deer load in .243 is 85 sierra gameking at 3200 fps. It will anchor deer with authority out to 300 yds. Cleanly and quickly. The .243 is more than capable as a deer cartridge.

    Point im trying to make is the size and power of the rifle/cartridge isnt a substitute for lack of shooting skill. My wife hunts deer with a .223 loaded with 53 gr Barnes TSX bullets, She can put a magazine full into 2 inches at 100 yds but i dont set her up in the hunting field for that long a shot. Her blind this season is set up where she will have a maximum of 61 yds between her and a deer. Her and I are both confident she can cleanly kill at that range, even though she is more than capable of 2 MOA 100 yd shots, thats is taking the adrenaline factor into account. And part of being a responsible hunter.
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    fair enough ..

    we try to get folks reasonably schooled and skilled up before they head out to hunt ...

    any greeny or accidental bad vid tape of animals not shot well is ammo for the anti's here ..

    the pro gun lobby and the shooters associations got real good this way about a dozen years back now and our licence system now reflects that

    permit classes are

    target
    collectors
    hunting .. with basic requirements met before they are granted

    part of the fight back here is to push for self regulation ( the socialists like that crap)

    and we now look smarter and better than the antis
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  12. joncutt87

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    We dont have any regulations on rifles that I can recall. The only pistol regs are larger than .24 caliber and you can't have it with you during bow or bp season.
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  13. jack404

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    Here the only critters i CAN hunt with a handgun are ferals

    and if its feral , it's in peril

    24/7 all year round ( deer camels pigs foxes cat's rabbit's Buffalo all be feral)

    cannot hunt natives with a hand gun as a primary weapon .. big no no ..

    or any "season" animals ( duck season etc) with a handgun
    i think here there is no carry of hand guns in duck shoot's ( too many rules )
    i rarely duck shoot ..
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  14. Boris

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    So the solution is give a novice jumpy shooter with no skills a weapon with more recoil?

    Seen with my own eyes a deer run after being shot with a 375 designed to take down elephants. Even worse was after I crawled on my hands and knees in the tangle he ran into to recover it AFTER a round from the 45 finished it, the original shooter claimed until I cut it open to show him his poor shot placement, he denied even hitting it. Reason was his gun takes elephants down. Pure genius.

    My idea of a light weight deer hunting weapon. Is my 25oz Glock. The shocker is with proper shot placement, I have yet to lose a deer after shooting one with it.

    You can give anyone a bigger gun. It won't fix chit. Poor skills are fixed ONLY by a good teacher and an even better student. Caliber used is inane. That's why it's called hunting, not shooting....
  15. reynolds357

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    A .375 H&H does very little damage on game the size of a deer. Hyper velocity turns poor shots into killing shots. Big slow bullets just punch nice clean holes.
    My big rifles do not recoil much. They sound like cannons, but they do not recoil bad at all. I have a 7Rum that kicks like a .243. I have a 7WSM that kicks like a .223. For comparison, I have a .30-06 that kicks like a pack mule on steroids.
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