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Llama/Firestorm questions

Discussion in 'The 1911 Forum' started by ysacres, Mar 9, 2003.

  1. ysacres

    ysacres Well-Known Member

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    Boogalou
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    (8/17/02 5:46:56 pm)
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    I know that Llama has had a checkered past in regards to their older pistols, but have heard that the newest offerings from them are not to bad. Anyone have any experience with the current ones? I've also heard that Firestorm line is supposely even better and that they're associated with Bersa. Also heard on another board that Llama is going out of business. Any other info out there? Thanks in advance.

    rayra
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    (8/19/02 1:25:47 pm)
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    What is it you're seeking?
    General info on Llama, or wondering about purchasing one of their pieces?


    Bob In St Louis
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    (8/23/02 9:21:21 am)
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    It seems that a lot of Spanish firearms companies have fallen on financial hard times. I have also heard rumours that Llama may be folding, but I have not been able to confirm it.
    Crusty Cruffler of Fine Spanish Pistols - Eibar Rules!

    boomatic
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    (8/23/02 10:20:51 am)
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    As a side note...I have 2 very old Llama pistols...a .380 and a .22...kind of a matched set. The fit, finish and overall quality is exceptional. No resemblance to todays Llama's. I ahve seen some really crappy older ones too, but these are both excellent. I have probably shot over 10k rounds throught he .22...still going strong.


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    "A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind."
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    Bob In St Louis
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    (8/23/02 10:26:55 am)
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    Llama's quality down slide period was from the 1970s into the 1980s - it seems stuff earlier than 1970 and later than 1990 are pretty good. I also have a lot of pre-1950s Llamas that are excellent quality.
    Crusty Cruffler of Fine Spanish Pistols - Eibar Rules!

    boomatic
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    (8/23/02 10:46:19 am)
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    I am not sure how old mine are. My father purchased them both. I would speculate early to mid 1950's? The checkering on the grips is phenominal!


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    "A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind."
    Thomas Jefferson

    Tac401
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    (8/24/02 1:26:55 am)
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    I've got an old .22 (Baby 1911) Llama and it's also
    built with quality and shoots superbly!
    TFF VMBB Email Tac

    Boogalou
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    (8/24/02 6:47:02 pm)
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    I e-mailed Llama about their current offerings, including the Firestorm, and also inquired about their warrenty. Here was their response:


    "In response to your inquiry, FireStorm is a new brand of handguns we
    introduced almost 2 yrs. ago. To date, the reception of these pistols have
    been terrific.

    The connection between LLAMA and FireStorm is some of the FireStorm models,
    specifically, the 45 Single Action pistols, are manufactured at the LLAMA
    factory. All other calibers and the 45 Double Action FireStorm pistols are
    produced at the BERSA factory in Argentina.

    The quality on the LLAMA handguns have been greatly improved. We stand
    behind this quality by awarding a Lifetime Service Contract to the original
    owners of all LLAMA, BERSA and FIRESTORM pistols currently manufactured. We
    offer this service to repair any defects or malfunctions without charge.
    Neglect, abuse, unauthorized alterations, improper ammo & ordinary wear and
    tear are not covered under warranty."

    For more information, please visit our websites:
    www.bersa-llama.com
    www.firestorm-sgs.com


    Dee / Customer Service

    I think the thing about Llama closing may just be a rumor. I checked out the websites and noticed they handle old Llama parts and to call for availability. Although these pistols may be a little rough around the edges, a lifetime warrenty means they are willing to stand behind their product. Does anyone out there have any experience with their service Dept?


    magnum74
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    (10/23/02 9:31:24 pm)
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    I own a .45 Firestorm Govt model...I've heard a lot of cons about Llama and their associates...but what can I say...it was only $289 for a full size 1911 frame with extended slide release and skeletal hammer and I love the 1911 frame. It fits so nicely in the hand. I bought Chip McCormick mags for it too...I got 2 eight rounders for it. No prob there. They also offer the lifetime warranty for the pistol...so I guess it's ok for the price. I eventually will purchase a Kimber...the Firestorm will have to punch the bad guys until the Kimber arrives.

    John in Ak
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    (12/2/02 8:32:00 pm)
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    I picked up this pistol several yrs ago at gun show. It shoots very good. I have lost extractor, Brownells and Numrich have not been able to help. It appears that there are at least three different extractors. The slot in slide is approx 3/16"-X 1"-, I'm sure its really metric. Anyone know where ectractor, spring & pin might be found. I have found this Llama to be nicely finished and very accurate, sure would like to have more than a single shot. Thanks John

    Xracer
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    (12/3/02 10:11:24 am)
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    Hi John in Ak......Welcome to TFF.

    You might be able to get the parts you need directly from the importer:

    www.bersa-llama.com/llama_specs.html

    Call the phone # shown (732-493-032) and tell them what you need.

    John in Ak
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    (12/3/02 12:46:28 pm)
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    Thanks, I tried them 1st, they only handle parts for the ones they import. Any other ideas??

    Xracer
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    (12/3/02 5:26:41 pm)
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    John.....have you tried Wisner's? www.gunpartsspecialist.com/index.htm

    John in Ak
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    (12/3/02 11:49:06 pm)
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    They have two different new mdls listed, probably the same ones Numrich stock. I sent e-mail with size of slot in my slide. Maybe they have some new ideas. Thanks

    John in Ak
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    (12/6/02 3:07:36 pm)
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    Thanks for advise, in trying to get address of manufacturer I called import Sports, lo & behold a rep said they stock extractors ect for pistols my serial #s will ship new one next week. maybe I lucked out and will have it repeating again soon,

    Xracer
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    (12/6/02 6:38:39 pm)
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    That's good news, John.

    Hope you'll stick around and let us know how it works out.

    ddmaz
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    (1/3/03 12:59:28 am)
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    I have owned a number of Llama firearms over the past couple of decades. Everything from 380's, super B's to 1911 A-1 clones and my current one a Llama mini-max.
    The only problem I have ever had, was one I bought in the early seventies. It was a full size 1911 with ventilating ribs down the length of the slide. It was beautiful on the outside however the tolerances were very loose. It functioned well however it was inaccurate.
    It was a piece of junk, much like the S

    Bob In St Louis
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    (1/3/03 9:17:08 am)
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    Sadly, the 1970s was a bad time for the Spanish pistol makers. The 1960s Gun Control Act in the US set them back quite a bit because a major share of their exports to the US was the smaller, more concealable handguns. In order to meet the import "point" requirements of this new import law, they had to do major retooling, drop some product lines, and start exploring more models in the larger frame and bigger calibers. They went through about a decade of QA/QC shake out in their product lines, and by the late 1970s, early 1980s they pretty much had things ironed out - however, too late. Poor reputation and declining economic revenue set the four major handgun manufacturers (Echasa, Astra, Star, and Llama) into a tail spin, and they started falling like dominoes. The only one still operating is Llama - and that isn't even the original Llama. It is a consortium of former employees of Llama that bought out the bankrupt company assets.

    mjhgecko
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    (1/11/03 12:18:17 am)
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    I just picked up my Firestorm today. I have not got a chance to shoot it yet. I am attempting to field strip it. I just noticed it is marked "Made in Pain".

    John in Ak
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    (1/15/03 8:50:54 pm)
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    Just a update, Import Sports came through, few glitches as 1st extractor came without hole for retaining roll pin and pins that came are to large diameter. Contacted very nice parts lady, she realized that the last batch of extractors received from manufacturer were not drilled ect. Expected to receive more in few weeks. I asked to just send me another when & if they showed up, 1st of the week another extractor showed up in the mail without paper work, this one looked used, but I still only had retaining pins that were to large. Off to local gunsmith that found pin stock of close to right dia. with minor fitting and fussing he had the new used extractor working. That was yesterday afternoon & I have not actually fired it but see no reason for it not to function. I can only thank the nice people at Import Arms.

    c2me2see
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    (3/1/03 9:58:10 pm)
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    Hey all, I have an old (?) Llama .45 auto, 1911 clone (sort of) and was wondering if anyone here had ever tried to convert theirs over to use 1911 slides/top ends? It seems like it might work if you remove the ejector and replace it with a standard 1911 one. The question is, how do you do that? There is no roll pin to punch out like on a 1911. Anyone know how to do what I'm trying to do? Any info would be appreciated. Please email me at caulino@yahoo.com Thanks!
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    i bought my ix-c over the summer and i love it,i have shot over 1000 rounds through it and havent had a single hangup or any other malfunction.it is great. i think it was made in the early to mid 90s
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    I've got a Mod. IX-A and the only problems I've had with it were due to buying surplus GI mags for it. Would like to change out the spur hammer and go to a combat hammer, but will continue to shoot it! And it's actually tighter than my government issue 1911. Go figure.

    John
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