Looking for informtion on Early Maker....

Discussion in 'The Ask the Pros & What's It Worth? Forum' started by acwrelics, Jun 17, 2011.

  1. acwrelics

    acwrelics New Member

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    Jun 17, 2011
    Here is a picture of a converted lock. This one is from what I believe to be a brown bess. The lock is marked Iordan 1742. I assume this is Jordan 1742. Does anyone have any information on this maker.
     

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  2. Jim Hauff

    Jim Hauff New Member

    Apr 20, 2008
    Lehigh Valley, PA
    Well, it looks to have the British "Broad Arrow" military acceptance mark and the Crown over GR (Georgius Rex - King George) dates it to a time when there was a King George in England.
     
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  3. jack404

    jack404 Former Guest

    Jan 11, 2010
    Australia
    THE ARMOVRIES OF
    THE TOWER OF LONDON
    MCMXVI
    McKEW PARR COLLECTION
    MAGELLAN
    and the AGE of DISCOVERY
    PRESENTED TO
    BRANDEIS UNIVERSITY • 1961

    lists this as a pivot gun made for the east indies company

    CLASS XII : FIREARMS (PIVOT GUNS, FLINTLOCK). 393

    trabslated , this is a British Military Heavy Dragoon Pattern 1738 Flintlock made in 1742

    it was used on both long arms and pistols during the period

    here are some others of the same pattern

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  4. rhmc24

    rhmc24 Well-Known Member

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    Dec 1, 2010
    Ardmore, OK
    Carey's books says Jordan 1733-1760 made pistols and muskets, shop in London. Musket lock and pistol locks were almost identical except the musket lock was much larger, something like 6 1/2" vs 5". Beautiful Heavy Dragoon pistol above.
     
  5. acwrelics

    acwrelics New Member

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    Jun 17, 2011
    Thanks for the information guys.....I think that this is some type of Brown Bess Musket but I am unfamiliar with the different types. This one still has the wooden ramrod but the stock has a cheap brass cap on the end.
     

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  6. acwrelics

    acwrelics New Member

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    Here are a few more shots of the gun
     

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  7. Hawg

    Hawg Well-Known Member

    Mar 23, 2011
    It looks kinda like a Bess but it looks like the butt plate is steel where it should be brass and the trigger guard is wrong. A Bess had a steel ramrod not wood.
     
  8. acwrelics

    acwrelics New Member

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    Jun 17, 2011
    The buttplate is brass on this one. The shading is off a little. From what I can tell, the early Brown Bess muskets had the wooden ramrods. They were then switched over to the iron ones. That is just what I read though so I could be wrong.
     
  9. jack404

    jack404 Former Guest

    Jan 11, 2010
    Australia
    acwrelics , no you are correct

    there have been incorrect assertions that the bess only had iron rod's but that was from one maker's historical view, , there where a total of 31 warrents to make the 1738 pattern lock that was used on the bess the most famous was tower or grice , and yes those two did have metal , but others did not and many prefered it as it did not rattle.. ( reference to snipes's story a english soldier in the war of independance)
     
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  10. Jim K

    Jim K New Member

    Dec 6, 2009
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  11. acwrelics

    acwrelics New Member

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    Jun 17, 2011
    Thanks for the information and the link.
     
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