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Looking for informtion on Early Maker....

Discussion in 'The Ask the Pros & What's It Worth? Forum' started by acwrelics, Jun 17, 2011.

  1. acwrelics

    acwrelics New Member

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    Here is a picture of a converted lock. This one is from what I believe to be a brown bess. The lock is marked Iordan 1742. I assume this is Jordan 1742. Does anyone have any information on this maker.

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  2. Jim Hauff

    Jim Hauff New Member

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    Well, it looks to have the British "Broad Arrow" military acceptance mark and the Crown over GR (Georgius Rex - King George) dates it to a time when there was a King George in England.
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  3. jack404

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    THE ARMOVRIES OF
    THE TOWER OF LONDON
    MCMXVI
    McKEW PARR COLLECTION
    MAGELLAN
    and the AGE of DISCOVERY
    PRESENTED TO
    BRANDEIS UNIVERSITY • 1961

    lists this as a pivot gun made for the east indies company

    CLASS XII : FIREARMS (PIVOT GUNS, FLINTLOCK). 393

    trabslated , this is a British Military Heavy Dragoon Pattern 1738 Flintlock made in 1742

    it was used on both long arms and pistols during the period

    here are some others of the same pattern

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    Carey's books says Jordan 1733-1760 made pistols and muskets, shop in London. Musket lock and pistol locks were almost identical except the musket lock was much larger, something like 6 1/2" vs 5". Beautiful Heavy Dragoon pistol above.
  5. acwrelics

    acwrelics New Member

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    Thanks for the information guys.....I think that this is some type of Brown Bess Musket but I am unfamiliar with the different types. This one still has the wooden ramrod but the stock has a cheap brass cap on the end.

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    acwrelics New Member

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    Here are a few more shots of the gun

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  7. Hawg

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    It looks kinda like a Bess but it looks like the butt plate is steel where it should be brass and the trigger guard is wrong. A Bess had a steel ramrod not wood.
  8. acwrelics

    acwrelics New Member

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    The buttplate is brass on this one. The shading is off a little. From what I can tell, the early Brown Bess muskets had the wooden ramrods. They were then switched over to the iron ones. That is just what I read though so I could be wrong.
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    acwrelics , no you are correct

    there have been incorrect assertions that the bess only had iron rod's but that was from one maker's historical view, , there where a total of 31 warrents to make the 1738 pattern lock that was used on the bess the most famous was tower or grice , and yes those two did have metal , but others did not and many prefered it as it did not rattle.. ( reference to snipes's story a english soldier in the war of independance)
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  11. acwrelics

    acwrelics New Member

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    Thanks for the information and the link.
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