Lousy .22 ammo, Remington thunderbolt

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  1. Shoot Em All

    Shoot Em All New Member

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    Has anyone had a problem with Remington Thunderbolt .22 rimfire ammo? I bought two 500 packs at Dick's Sporting Goods on sale in November 2007. the lots vary, but the current one is A05GC. The dud rate on this is 15 to 25% in both lots! I pulled some bullets from duds and there is either no primer material or a small amount in a small area of the rim. Dick's won't take it back ( no returns on ammo) and Remington has no phone # or contact information on thier web site. Just want everyone to know what a sorry product they are making, and then dumping it on the public by putting it on sale.
  2. stash247

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    Friend, it happens in the best of families!
    Six or seven years ago, we, at my shooting club, ran into the same problem, to a lesser extent, with a particular lot of Eley Tenex; unlike the Thunderbolt, this is 'top of the line' ammo, with no other purpose but accuracy, at the highest level.
    When you have a minimum wage laborer tending a multi million dollar loading machine, sometimes the machine gets ahead of the help.
    Learn from the experience; cheapest might be that, for good reason.
    A thing I hear at the shop, often, is "I have no quarrel with a man who sells his product for less; who, better, would know it's real worth?"
    There's a lot of wisdom, there.
    All the best, Terry
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    Thunderbolts are well-known on the internet for their dud-factor. 5% is not uncommon for them. 15%-25% is a bit much even for Thunderbolts.

    Your post reminds me why I always buy Federals.
  5. CampingJosh

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    Yeah, I haven't had good luck with Thunderbolts. Remington Golden Bullets, on the otherhand, have always been good to me. I don't know why there is such a quality difference from the same manufacturer, but you're certainly right that the Thunderbolts should be avoided.
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    It must be a law of nature that you can't build a .22 without installing the "random finicky ammo" part. Seems that there is a wide variety of ammo that won't shoot in one firearm and works without fail in another of the same make and model. You just have to figure out what the gun likes and doesn't like. I've given up trying to guess.
  7. AngelDeville

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    I made the mistake of buying some quite a few years back, and haven't bought any since....
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    Were these "500 packs" bricks (i.e. 10 boxes 50) or loose pack (milk carton)? I've noticed that "milk carton" 22s seem to have much greater dimensional variation than the boxed ammo. I think this is a way to market "seconds" that didn't make the cut for boxed ammo.
    Best regards, BIGBOOMER
  9. stash247

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    What a nice way to get rid of trash; SELL IT!
    Boomer, you may just be onto something!
    All my serious ammo, rim, or center fire, gets the same treatment, just like my eggs for the table.
    From the time it hits my lot, it is stored until use, in an old but sound refrigerator, at about 45-50 degrees; NOT a 'frost free' but an old fashioned one, that keeps a constant temp, instead of 'self defrosting', as I want a stable storage for ammo that often exceeds $750/ case.
    This will allow a couple of years storage, with no deterioration in lube, or anything else, in my experience; sure wish a case of ammo lasted that long!
    In the real world, lube is at least as important as load, in many barrels.
    If the lube has been abraded off, in shipping a bunch of 'dumped in a tub' .22 RF ammo, the barrel is prone to lead, for it's lack, even in the best of rifles, at which point, accuracy goes to hell in a hurry.
    Stored in hot conditions, even the best ammo will 'drip' lube off the bullet, and do the same, with time.
    You can't, to my knowledge, put it back, so it becomes junk, and if you're lucky, does nothing worse than shoot poorly.
    The 'Failure to fire' points strongly to priming, however.
    A rimfire case is spun, as a drop of priming compound, liquid, at this point, is dropped down the middle, and slung to the rim, to cool and harden.
    Is it not spinning, this does not happen; if not enough compound, maybe not completely. In either case, while this condition of the manufacturing equiptment exists, they're 'rolling Hang/ missfires' at a rate of several a second, and trashing their 'cred', in the process, as Shoot Em All pointed out.
    I too, would be interested in the packaging!
  10. Shoot Em All

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    Sorry it took a while to get back, but having some log in problem for some reason.
    On the Thunderbolts, they were in a brick, 10 boxes of 50. Many rounds were tried in several guns, most will not fire no matter how many times you try. Some were rotated in the chamber, and hit again with about 1 out of 10 duds firing on the second or third try. Guess these are the ones where the primer material is visable in approx. 10 or 20% of the total rim area. Out of 10 duds I pulled, 5 had no primer material at all.
    I also believe that the .22 ammo packed in those "milk cartons" are culls in some cases. I have noticed variations in velosity by chrono in all the cheap .22s. What has everyone found to be a quality product at a fair price? I need to refresh my supply for bullseye shooting.
  11. Tony Mig

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    I was told by someone in the firearms industry that Remington farms out the manufacturing of their Thunderbolt line of bulk .22 ammo to a company in Brazil, and that it's shipped here for packaging in large containers. Don't know this to be fact, but the person that told me this "should" know what he's talking about......

    Remington's Thunderbolts aren't the only line of .22's that have been less that marginal in performance, and I got to the point where I swore off all Remington rimfire until today. A friend gave me a box of Remingtom Target standard velocity, and it performed beyond expectation in my 10/22T, and my Thompson Center R-55 Sporter. I saved some to try in my Buckmark, if it performs well in that, I just might buy a brick.

    I think for cheap bulk ammo, you'd do better with CCI Blazers, or the Federal bulk packs that come with 525 rounds packed loose in the box.
  12. Halwg

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    It's interesting you should write about problems with Thunderbolt. I bought a brick a while back, and was just shooting them this past saturday in a Marlin 39A and a Star auto pistol. I have about 200 rounds left, so in the 300 I have shot, I have not had one "dud" in either gun. Actually the accuracy is really good in the Marlin, I shot 30 rounds at 50 yards and ended up with one jagged hole about an inch across.

    Again, I bought these a few years back, and things could have changed. I saw the same brick in Dick's just today, and almost bought another. Now that I read this, maybe it's a good thing I didn't.
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    I bought the two 500 rd bricks around the same time from dick's, I think I had a coupon buy 1 get 1 1/2 price. The lot number is D18VC. I haven't shot any yet but I am hoping to get out to the range tommorrow. I will let you know if I have any of the same problems.
  14. Tony Mig

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    30 shot from 50 yards with one jagged hole about an inch across....:rolleyes:

    Sorry brother, I'm not one to start trouble on chat forums, but if you're going to make a claim like that, you need to either scan, or photograph that target, and post it with the claim or you'll quickly loose credibility.

    I know guys that have been shooting benchrest for years, they shoot rifles costing in excess of a thousand dollars, with scopes costing about as much, they shoot off of custom made micro adjustable rifle rests, using ammo costing over $20.00 per box of 50 rounds, and they are hard pressed to shoot that perverbial one jagged hole from 50 yards, but you did it with a stock Marlin and cheap bulk ammo with a bad reputation.....
  15. stash247

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    Tony, I mean no disrespect here, but the little Marlin rimfire Leverguns will darned sure shoot, in my experience, and an inch, at 50 yds is not asking a lot of any rifle; you and I both have pistols that will shoot at that level, I am sure.
    "Under a dime", show me a picture; convince me. But a two moa target, from a rifle, of any sort, I would not waste the wind, to challenge.
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