Luger Info?

Discussion in 'The Ask the Pros & What's It Worth? Forum' started by pahtooco, Oct 30, 2010.

  1. pahtooco

    pahtooco New Member

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    Second is a Luger my dad picked up in a pawn shop in Long Beach, CA - mid 1950's. Very beautiful - but yes, I know about the chrome thing. What would it take to remove the chrome? Would that do more harm than good? What would the value be either way?

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  2. pahtooco

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    and one more...

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  3. Jim K

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    The gun has been so heavily polished, and all the corners rounded that it has no collector value with or without the chrome plating. If it functions, it is a shooter; otherwise it is a memento of your father and of little dollar value, maybe $200 tops.

    Jim
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    Jim the navy mag is a 250 item. The pistol being a 1917 navy with a good bore would bring at least 8 to 1k in price even with the plating. A nice one around 5-7k.
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  5. SSMN

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    JimK is correct. The buffing damage followed by chrome plating has destroyed any collector value. In addition, that is not a Navy Mag. The Navy mags had concentric circles cut into the wood base. But even not being a Navy mag, it still is probably worth more than the buggered gun.
  6. valbehaved

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    Too bad it is buffed so heavily - impossible(read: cost prohibitive) to restore.
    But a nice shooter, probably..
  7. Jim K

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    Hi, Pahtooco,

    Sell that gun to Danny, quick, take his $1250, and run like hell!

    Jim
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    Yes, the mag is not a navy. The value is so far gone, it's a real shame. I've seen a lot of Bubba reworks, but this one looks like it was done by a blind ten year old.
  9. Danny

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    Mauser is selling repos for 1500. Thats the real McCoy even with the plating & yes the mag would bring 250 as it is original & nickle. Why do you guys want to give members such low prices? Better check the books & auction sites out! But the way, that is a 1908 Navy.
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  10. Jim K

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    Sorry, Danny, but I think you have stars in your eyes on some values. I agree with your ID on the Luger in question, but it has been buffed to heck, marks removed, every part rounded off, then chrome plated. I am willing to hear from others but I don't think any serious collector would buy that gun for anywhere near $1000, not even as a "place holder".

    I know you are boosting values so that when you are ready to sell your stuff you will get better prices, but the flip side of giving low evaluations is to give high ones so that the poster thinks his gun is more valuable than it is, and a potential buyer will be misled into paying an inflated price. If I were to arbitrarily say that any Luger, in any condition, is worth a million dollars, would my "evaluation" make it worth that? Even if I find someone to pay that, is it a fair price?

    Jim
  11. pahtooco

    pahtooco New Member

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    I am curious about the comments around buffing, marks removed, and the parts being rounded off - I'm just ignorant about this stuff.

    If I guessed (stress - guessed) the history this would have most likely been brought back from WWII. Like I had mentioned my dad picked it up in a pawn shop in Long Beach, CA in the mid-1950's. If I recall he had told me that he was told by the shop that the original owner had passed away - and his widow had just brought in his firearms to have them all sold. The way you see it is the way my dad bought it - it's maybe been fired 5 times in the last 60 years.

    So - if that first guess is right - sometime between 1945 and 1955 the gun was "refinished". Here's the real question - how does that work. Why / in what part of the process would the marks have been removed? Or the corners rounded off? Was it just grinding away at everything as part of the "chroming" process?

    Like I said just curious - would be interesting to see a picture of a 1908 Navy without any of this being done side by side to see the difference.

    Thanks again!

    Chris
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    Chris,
    I agree. You need to see untouched original finish Lugers to get a better feeling for what they should look like. You will find the difference dramatic. Check the archives here or go to Jan Stills Luger Forum and check their archives, you will find many to study.

    In regards to how it happened....Many many Lugers, PPKs, P38s etc never made it to this country in their original finish. The war in Europe ended in May of 1945, but most soldiers were kept in place for 5/6 months and were being made ready to move to the Pacific Theater. Being Americans with lots of time on their hands, they all wanted a flashy war trophy, so many of their captured handguns were chrome plated right in Europe. Not a lot of effort was taken to keep the edges sharp and markings clean and clear. Abrasive compound was added to a buffing wheel and depending on the enthusiam and pressure applied by the operator, the result is what you have. Everything was made bright and shiny prior to plating.

    I hope you were not offended by comments here. No one had malicious intent. I am including a few pics of a nice original 1906 American Eagle which I have. Shows some of the nice clean edges and original rust blue finish.

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  13. 45Auto

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    If you can find a shop to remove the chrome (or nickle plate) it would make the pistol alot more presentable. Stripping is done by the electrplating process in reverse. After the plate has been stripped, the pistol will have a matted finnish. It can be blued like that and it will look far more presentable than it does with all that plating on it.

    There are those who specialize in restoring collectable firearms who might be interested in your pistol.

    The price of a pistol like yours may be in the $300 to $500 rang as is. With the plate stripped off and reblued it might be a little higher.

    Comment on magazines: Look for a crown with a large letter M under it. That would be Kriegsmarine, with or without the concentric rings.
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    Chris,
    Easy to find a Crown over M mark. You have half of one remaining on one of your pics above.
    .45,
    I am not a Luger specialist by any means. But I have searched through every one of the several Luger reference books which I have and I cannot find any reference to a Crown over M marked magazine. All descriptions of Naval Lugers of any date call for concentric ringed wood bases. Would you post one for my files?

    Also regarding matt finish. If the gun was high polished prior to plating, it will be high polish after stripping. If it was matt finished prior to plating, it will be matt after removing plating.
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  15. pahtooco

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    Thanks for the pics - yes...I can see clearly now where some of the edges in areas on mine are "rounded" off compared to the other pictures.

    I'll have to think about whether or not to "restore"...since it's not something I'm really thinking about selling guess it comes down to what "I" want it to look like.

    And no - not offended at all. From a purest standpoint I can totally see how it was screwed up so to speak. :)
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  16. SSMN

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    Keep it. Shoot it. Be happy thinking of your Dad.
  17. 45Auto

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    SSMN: The acid used in the process to strip off the plate often leaves a matted finish.

    I'll see what I can do about a picture.
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    What you guys do not understand, except for 45 auto, is that is a 1908 commercial Luger. They are a tad scarce & if it is chambered for 30cal Luger you can double the price suggested. Some of these are showing up now refurbished for 7-8 thousand dollars. I had a chance to buy a new Shelby, in 69 while a DI @ FLW,MO. It was 4 thousand & some odd dollars and now you cannot touch a restored one for less than 125k. David I have both of the 06 Eagles. One has documentation it was carried while building the Panama canal.
    I can not remember if its the 30cal or 9mm. I really down deep cannot consider U a collector. U & Jim are always giving the guest a punch in the stomach, almost every time someone post something. And no, I do not bump prices to try and make my collection higher.
    If that missing 45 Luger should show up here , U & Jim would find faults with it.
    I give collector, up to date pricing, that I see what handguns R bringing in my part of the country.
    Also I have a 06 Navy, unit marked with the crown m matching mag. They do exist & I will post a pic if needed.
    How would you like to be a non vice & ask a question about your Dad's handgun & then a bunch of flies land on it, like it was a fresh log & start thrashing it?:p
    Danny
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    Later on I am going to post a detailed pic of my 06 navy. The only difference being the grip safety & you will see the edges may have been touched some, but not enough to have it stripped & refurbed.
    Danny
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    Well Danny, I simply said the gun has no collector value. As a shooter, someone might pay a few hundred. But collector value is nil. I suggested that Chris keep it as his father found it.

    You give a lot of bad advice as well as inflated cost estimates. Last week you told a member that 7 1/2 barrels like he described his luger to be were for artillery models. You should know that Artillerys had 8 inch barrels and an integral rear sight base milled into the barrel. (His did not), so could never be on an artillery. But whatever pleases you. I don't post here much, but when I do it is not intended to start an argument. But with you it oftens veers in that direction.

    .45...thank you for the acid/reverse plating tip. I appreciate it.
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