Luger Info?

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  1. Jim K

    Jim K New Member

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    I am a bit confused by the talk about "commercial" vs "military" Navy Lugers, and it sounds like the military ones are the more desireable. But my understanding is that some 100k Navy Lugers were made, in several variations, while only 1000-1500 commercial "navies" were made (not counting surplus guns sold on the commercial market).

    It would seem to me that the latter would be far less common and more valuable than the military guns, even given the "historical" association of Naval issue, or is there something I don't know?

    Also, the books say, and the dozen or so artillery Lugers I have examined bear out, that the rear sight base is part of the barrel. Proper barrel alignment was ensured by use of a gauge, not by installing, marking, and then removing, machining and reinstalling as some folks believe. For comparison, the Mauser 98 rifle barrel was installed and headspaced, then the gun was set up referenced on the receiver flat and the sights installed.

    Jim
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  2. 85ponyboy

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    I am looking for a 4439 original clip for a 1939 luger as I do not have the original clip. I know this was post over 2 years ago but thought I would try. You can contact me at my email address of toddbriceray@yahoo.com
  3. Lanrezac

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    SSMN, the Germans were on the metric system. If the barrel was supposed to be 200 millimeters long, at 25.4mm per inch, that works out to 7.874 inches...which is almost perfectly 7 7/8 inches. I would guess that most English language references just round it off to 8 inches.

    PS - I did not notice this thread was 2 years old before posting. ponyboy85, this is not really the right place to look for Luger magazines. You might try Ebay as well as the major gun auction websites, since a surprising number of magazines show up there; be prepared to pay over $100.
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  4. packetsplace

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    This really is a simple matter. The Luger has been overly buffed and plated. All collector value has been destroyed. It doesnt matter if its a Luger or any other firearm. I would value it at $500.00 tops as a shooter.
  5. Jim K

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    Maybe I should not get into a "discussion" between experts, but there was no sleeve used for the lP.08 rear sight, and no solder. The base was machined as part of the barrel, and the extra thick shoulder left for the rear sight adjustment screw (later dropped). The sight bed (with the "ski-slope" on it, was dovetailed into the sight base, then fixed in place by two screws. one at the front and the other at the back. Both went into the milled flat on the barrel. The leaf was secured by a cross pin, much the same as the setup used on the Mauser rifle.

    If an "lP.08" is seen with a sleeve soldered on, it has been made up by drilling the rear of the barrel out of a junker lP.08 barrel, leaving a sleeve, which was then pressed and soldered into a turned down long barrel. This may seem difficult or unlikely, but I watched a man do it. He also made at least a half dozen "Luger carbines", but AFAIK did not make the carbine stocks.

    Just a note FWIW, the poster who mentioned soldering on the base sleeve might have been thinking of the Mauser rifle, where the sights were installed after the barrel had been installed. But in the Luger the sight base(s) and extractor cut were made during barrel manufacture, based on the gauged reference (witness) mark. One rather silly idea is that Luger barrels were installed, marked, then removed and the front sight base milled and the extractor cut made. Not true.

    Jim
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    This thread is two years old. The arguing over the original point stopped then. New member 85ponyboy resurrected it in order to ask someone to sell him a "4439" magazine for 1939 Luger. I think the odds of that happening are low, but he should post in the Buy & Sell sub-forum to have any chance at all.
  7. Jim K

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    Sorry, I sometimes forget to look at the date.

    Jim
  8. jim brady

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    Lots of really interesting things posted here! As to the question about having the plateing removed, I've had it done to an old DMW 1918 Luger about 2 years ago, and all I can add is that it cost me about $200 to have the plateing removed and the pistol re-blued. Good and bad - good was that the plateing was gone and when it was plated it was not polished, so the edges are sharp and all markings perfectly intact. Guess I was lucky because the plateing did not pit the metal. The bad - it is not an original finish, and as such is classified as a 'shooter'. Maybe $500 in value.

    Final thought - these guns are OLD, and parts for them are very pricey. The Luger design is not very safe in my humble opinion, especially if you wish to carry it loaded. The only thing that keeps it from firing is the transfer bar. The safety only 'holds' the transfer bar from flexing and thus releasing the firing pin. I will only load mine when ready to actually fire. Just my two little pennies.
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