M-14 vrs. M-16

Discussion in 'General Military Arms & History Forum' started by Ursus, Jan 5, 2007.

Wich do you prefer for combat?

  1. M-14

    107 vote(s)
  2. M-16

    59 vote(s)
  1. Ursus

    Ursus Active Member

    Wich would you prefer for battle? I'm specially interested in the opinions of people who actually used both in combat.
  2. Used both the M-14 and M-16 in training, but only the M-16 in combat. Despite the rather bad press the M-16 had during its early years, and all the jokes about "guns by Mattell," I always liked the weapon a great deal. Only those who have had to hump a rifle and ammo day after day, often through jungle and up and down hills, can reall appreciate its lightness and ease of handling. The key with the M-16 was simple: KEEP IT CLEAN! :D

  3. Jay

    Jay Active Member

    Mar 26, 2003
    I used both in Viet Nam. I would have to say it depends on the environment. In the jungle, the M-16 would be my choice. In a bit more open terrain, the M-14 would have my vote.

    "right tool for the particular job"
  4. In VN I used only the M-16, but as you well know, Jay, most of the "Green" that Godforsaken hole was jungle or at least relatively dense cover. I did see a couple of times when the M-14 with its .30 caliber, heavier, more penetrating bullet would have been useful, but by and large, the 5.56 NATO worked well overall.
  5. berto64

    berto64 Active Member

    I'm with PistolShooter,

    M-16 and ammo was lighter to hump but the M-14 was more reliable and a heavier hitter and could penetrate cover better than the 22.

    I still like the M-14 better but in combat I'd settle for the M-16.
  6. That pretty much tell it all in a nutshell.

    Nobody carried less that 500 rds. 5.56 or less that 5 canteens of water.
  7. Not if he had sense enough to pour pee out of a boot with the instructions written on the heel, Al. :D Humping in that country, at that time, tended to use up a lot of both, espcially if Charlie was in a mood to play. Of course, the poor ol' M-60 gunner did have a bit more weight to carry, but he could always find a few of us to help him with the ammo. Humping belted .30 cal is no fun, but when we had to yell out "Guns up," it was worth it! :cool:

  8. Yep.....:eek: ....yer preachin to the choir.......:D

    Thats my gunner on the left, me on the right, I was team leader.

    Shot was taken right outside Hue.....just before Tet 68......

  9. Fortunately, I missed out on that Tet dustup, Al. I was in II Corps, most of the time, with the 1st Cav Div, 1969-70. I did get a chance to visit Charlie in "beautiful and balmy" Cambodia in May-June 1970 though. ;) :D
  10. berto64

    berto64 Active Member


    You were in II corp at the same time I was in IV corp.(the delta)
  11. Same church, different pew Berto, but yours was wetter though. :D ;)
  12. williamd

    williamd New Member

    Mar 21, 2007
    Big holes are better ... in the other guy! My VN time was 64-65 and I had a M-14 and a 1911. From one side of the river to the ohter (Danang) the M-14 could reach out and touch wiht decent accuracy. A couple of 50's were nice, too. We went downhill from those ... unless you believe in spray vs precision. ;) Ok, the AR-15 was just coming into it's own but I soured on it .... it's a varmint round!:D
  13. markt334

    markt334 New Member

    Apr 11, 2007

    When they were both in service together the M14 had reliability points, after all it was a M1 with big magazine and the M16 was a new item with big bugs in it. As a auto rifle the M14 was uncontrolable, as a rifleman it was long and heavy, as a sniper you need lots of parts and a gunsmith with LOTS of experance to keep up with it. It was supposed to be a do all for a infantry squad, it could not do the job so the M16 was developed. Today the M16 family is the best battle rifle in use. I have made M16A4's for 3rd ID squad marksmen to take good shots to 600 yds. Best part, the rifle looks like everyone elses, Rags don't know who the shooter is! These rifles only get inspected once a year and they still shoot great. There are no reailability issues now, clean and lube for the terrain you are in and she just loves to shoot. As the do all squad rifle...auto- check, rifleman- check, sniper- check, grenadier- check, need optics? easy money! Need caliber change for special ops...Whats your pleasure! Short, as in long pistol or long, as in shorter than M14. I carried the M79 and a 1911A1...a rifle would have been nice, but a no go with the M14. Time and tech catch all things but compared at the height of their development the M16 beats the M14.
    Last edited: Apr 11, 2007
  14. Sackett

    Sackett Member

    Nov 29, 2003
    SW Mississippi
    Well according to a friend of mine whose squad couldn't take out a VC sniper with their M16s. they had to slick in one of the old guys who still had a M14 to solve their problem.
  15. Tom Militano

    Tom Militano New Member

    Feb 26, 2007
    Jacksonville, AL
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