many many questions about old guns "steve"

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  1. nate335

    nate335 New Member

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    hello all, new here. i have 4 guns total. and there very old, hear is the list:

    #1 J Stevens, model 335 side by side 12ga, hammer less, 30" barrel, brake. love it until it failed, i used it to much... firing pins are bent and other broken parts in side the trigger mechanism. love to fix her.... the best gun i own. paid $300.00

    #2 Stevens model 58c, 410. 3 shot clip, bolt. nice light gun but, trigger missed a lined so doesn't cock every time need to know if i could spot wield the front part of the trigger with my meg wielder. other wise a dead on gun. paid $95.00

    #3 Springfield model 56 by J Stevens .22L 5 shot clip, bolt, 24" barrel. nice gun not all that accurate when using the sites but, line it up "no sites" with the barrel and pretty close to right on. little to the right. paid $135.00

    #4 ???"Shapliegh"??? Diamond Arms Co. ST.Louis patented august 12, 1913. 410 bore or 12 m-m, brake, hammer, 26" barrel. need more info on this gun. took to a gun smith and he messed it up. not happy with the work that was done. she is the hardest kicking gun i have i think. paid $110.00

    all my guns are in excellent condition "looks" but each has a flaw, any info on any/all of these guns would be appreciated.

    i bought all 4 guns from an old guy's auction 5/7/03. i have shot each gun, and loved each shot from each gun a hit or miss i loved them all.

    question when was each made, parts, and a good gun smith in Iowa...
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    old jeff New Member

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    Nate

    Seems that there are many folks that claim to be a gunsmith, there are fewer that are actually talented enough to really be called a gunsmith. Obviously you know one smith that has the name but lacks the talent.

    Have you tried Google for 'Iowa Gunsmiths' ? Also, depending on where you live you may want to check the surrounding states.

    Several are listed. Some have web sites and even mention their rates. Remember, most do not work for free. You will have to determine how much you are willing to pay to have the fixes made to your collection. In some cases, the potential costs will be greater than the value of the gun.

    In those cases this may be your best alternative.

    There are several schools in Iowa that offer courses in gunsmithing, some are community colleges. That may be a potential source for you. Seems that if one is near, you might want to discuss your problems with the instructor. You may have two options available. Enroll in one of the courses and learn to fix the problems yourself correctly. Those schools will have equipment that most folks do not have in their garage. Of course, there is the other option, maybe the work might be done at the school for a nominal cost. by a student or the instructor.

    Good luck.
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    How did you deduce this??????????? I read nothing about a talentless gunsmith. He is looking for a smith.
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    williamd: ha ha lol thanks much for your info....
    old jeff: Google for 'Iowa Gunsmiths' yes i did, but most was in a retail store. and thats where i took them the first time when i first bought them. "gander mountain" was where i was told to take them because, "he did a great job on my gun" from a friend... "some friend" but his gun was fixed correctly...

    was also told that these guns was cheep... what i have been told was that the 335 was low production. and i over paid for the gun. but i don't care i have always wanted a long side by side for a long time.

    410 and .22 are just as fun. 410 is a high price shot. and the .22 is cheep. a penny shot lol

    my dad is a tool-n-die specialist, and has said he could but don't know much about guns and what has to be heat treated. or grade of steel "never has rebuilt a gun" but could make all the parts. yes i would love to learn the trade. just never seen a gunsmith school program offered locally.

    dose any one on this site have shotguns or is this site just for handguns??? been reading other post and all i can hear about is a glock...
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    old jeff New Member

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    William

    See the bold print. Easy to miss.

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    Nate,
    From what I can tell you don't have any valuable firearms here and the cost of repairs could exceed the cost of replacement with a functional specimen.
    That being said, if you are like me and like to restore old things cost is not always the first consideration. I enjoy doing the work myself and if you have some mechanical ability and a little patience you should be able to yourself. The way I look at it even if you totally mess up you didn't have much to start with and the most of the reward is in the doing and not so much the final product.
    Here is some information that may help you.
    Stevens 335: You can get some parts for this shotgun at Numrich Gun Parts. It is similar to the Stevens Model 315 and the parts you need may be found there.
    Stevens 58c: Again Numrich may have replacements for the trigger parts you need.
    Springfield 56: It doesn't sound like you need parts there, the sight is drift adjustable for windage and there should be a step type elevator on the rear sight to adjust elevation.
    Your Diamond Arms sounds like a store brand, something many people here at this site know a lot more than I do about. Parts may be harder to find and sometimes I have found these things more trouble than I am able to deal with.

    Good Luck,
    Tarheel
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    Nate

    Iowa is a big state. Don't know where you are located but here are a few places to check out.

    RW Snyder Guns & Gunsmithing
    Manning, Iowa
    phone 712-655-3819

    Gordy's Precision Gunsmithing
    409 Main St.
    Harvey, IA 50119
    641-949-6677

    Brownells Inc.
    200 South Front Street
    Montezuma, Iowa 50171

    Technical Support: 800-741-0015
    Fax: 800-264-3068
    General Office: 641-623-5401

    Iowa AccuCast, Inc Thomas R. Lacey
    FFL Type 01, 06, & 07 641-684-5990
    Ottumwa 52501 12590 Rabbit Run Road

    Brownells is one of the largest suppliers to gunsmiths in the country. They might be willing to give you a point of contact near you. They also, might not. It won't hurt to ask.

    In any case, the others if not near might also offer local contacts if they are aware of any.

    Good luck in your quest.
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  9. nate335

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    tarheel101: it not the value of a gun or the popularity of one. as far as i have hired these guns are not collected so it tells me that they are rear. 331 stevens are made for longer run then the 335, as far as i have found. when i bought it he called it a 331. i like to have the "off breads" anyways AMC, Allis, ect. all good things just not main stream. like the little boys bow ties, 10c a dozen. i just was looking for a way to fix and or info on each gun. the only gun that don't fire is the 335...

    old jeff: thanks much i will look in to each..
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    old jeff ... my apology!
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    William

    Thank you. But there is no need for an apology.

    We just read things a little different.

    What's most important is that 'we' as a group chose to try and answer questions that Nate asked. Sometimes there are different opinions that's all.

    The fact that we try indicates that we care.

    It may not be perfect, but it seems to help.

    Yea!! for the team!!
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    old jeff: looked in to a couple and no such luck as of yet. some day I hope to get my gun fixed or find some more that will get me out in the field for the first time. yea I could barrow one but i would love to have my BIG 335 gun be the one to drop my first pheasant
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