Mauser prototypes?

Discussion in 'The Ask the Pros & What's It Worth? Forum' started by micromontenegro, Jun 13, 2011.

  1. micromontenegro

    micromontenegro Member

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    Dec 7, 2010
    I've been offered for sale these two pistols, with no details whatsoever about their provenance, etc. What do you think of them?

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  2. Buffalochip

    Buffalochip Well-Known Member

    Oct 22, 2008
    They appear to be a varients of the Mauser 9mm Nickl (not nickel) Experimental built on a 1912/1914 frame, although the slide grips are of the style found on the Model 1934. If they are indeed Nickl Experimentals, they are from a small batch mfg. in 1916 or so. They definately show their age, but appear to be in good-very good condition. No idea of value.

    The Nickl design was later mfg. by CZ as the VZ.22
     
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  3. Jim K

    Jim K New Member

    Dec 6, 2009
    Those pistols were the predecessors of the Vz.22 but they are in 9mm Parabellum, not 9mm Browning Short. Although they look like the Mauser pocket pistols, they are actually of a locked breech, turning barrel design, like the Vz.22. My WAG on value is $12,000 for the top one, $20,000 for the lower.

    Jim
     
  4. goofy

    goofy Well-Known Member

    Feb 7, 2011
    Good morning! micromontenegro.What are they being sold for? ..........GOOFY:)
     
  5. micromontenegro

    micromontenegro Member

    69
    Dec 7, 2010
    Hi, and thanks to all. The seller is being very secretive for now, even regarding location, and communication is scant and monosyllabic. Will keep you posted if anything comes up, but I am not enthusiastic about it.
     
  6. 3/2 STA SS

    3/2 STA SS Active Member

    Looks like it could have been a heck of a pistol for the time period. Larger than most Mausers I have seen. I always felt like they were over shadowed by Luger and Walthers.
     
  7. Jim K

    Jim K New Member

    Dec 6, 2009
    Those guns could have been just the pistol Mauser needed for the future, but the company by that time had become quite conservative, and seemed to think the ancient C-96 was the ideal large caliber pistol. I have never understood that continued support for an outdated design. Perhaps foreign sales, especially to China, of the C-96 were enough to keep them from spending R&D money on future military type guns, but it has always seemed to me to have been against their best interests.

    The rotating barrel design is not a bad one; it had been quite successful for Steyr, and is still being used by Beretta to this day. Why Mauser rejected it, I don't know.

    Jim
     
  8. juangomez

    juangomez New Member

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    Jun 18, 2011
    Hello dear camaradas, some of you make me laugh with ratings and reviews system mechanism, if they saw them on the inside "and die"! Guns are authentic and I would say that very difficult to reproduce the quality of internal finish. Because at that time was very good skilled labor and technically impeccable.

    Find out how http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=452173
     
  9. Jim Hauff

    Jim Hauff New Member

    Apr 20, 2008
    Lehigh Valley, PA
    juan,
    Bien veniedo a la sitio.
     
  10. valbehaved

    valbehaved Member

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    Nov 24, 2009
    Juan:
    They are authentic allright, but your chances of getting them out of Argentina and into US are pretty low....
    I am in full agreement with Jim on pricing, btw...
     
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  11. Jim K

    Jim K New Member

    Dec 6, 2009
    Actually, getting guns like that into the US might not be that difficult. BATFE and customs have procedures for rare collector's items and of course they are certainly in the C&R category. It just takes having someone knowledgeable to work both ends, the export from whatever country and the import into the U.S. It might take some time, though.

    Jim
     
  12. juangomez

    juangomez New Member

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    Jun 18, 2011
    Nobody wrote USA or the U.S.. The world is bigger than the country and private collectors are everywhere in this great planet. And never speak in Argentina either. Greetings John
     
  13. RJay

    RJay Well-Known Member

    Feb 22, 2004
    Goodyear, Arizona
    Just out of curiosity, does any one know what the h-e-double l Mr. juangomez is blabbering about:confused:
     
  14. permafrost

    permafrost Active Member

    Feb 24, 2010
    Oklahoma, USA
    Waaay above my pay grade!
     
  15. Jim K

    Jim K New Member

    Dec 6, 2009
    RJay, I think he means that the guns would not necessarily be sold to an American collector (which Valbehaved rather assumed). There is a world-wide collector market for such unique guns, even in countries with otherwise strict gun laws.

    In fact, this is one of the few countries where ordinary citizens can accumulate gun collections; in many places, "gun collector" means very wealthy and influential, the kind of person to whom laws don't always apply.

    Jim
     
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