Mixed feelings about this (long)

Discussion in 'The Constitutional & RKBA Forum' started by armedandsafe, Aug 20, 2009.

  1. armedandsafe

    armedandsafe Guest

    This talks about the Dems using the "reconcilliation" process to pass the Health and (don't)Care bill with 51 votes. They have already passed the law setting up the "reconcilliation." process. That shuts down any possibility of filibuster. However, any bill so passed will have a 10 year sunset.

    Now, we will get all outraged that they will not allow a fillibuster and will not allow any debate after 20 hours and will RAM this bill down our throats. However, I suspect that the bill would pass under normal rules. There are enough traitors in the Republican minority in the Senate and the House to turn on us and help shove this monstrosity on us. Then we will have the bill with NO sunset.

    We compromised on the "It's a Crime, Bill" and got the sunset clause passed. That actually helped in the long run, because many otherwise uninterested people saw how ineffective it actualy was. Ten years of allowing the feds to screw up the medical system and watching people die because some bureaucrat doesn't care is a horrible thought. However, having the same thing happen without any hope of reversing it is worse.

    I'm torn. It hurts to think there are people sworn to represent their people who will turn on them in such a fashion. Lying, self-serving, selfish, short-sighted, ignorant, greedy, power-mad people willing to condem humans to slow death to further enrich themselves.

    Pops

  2. bcj1755

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    NO! NO! NO! Even if they get a version that has a 10 year sunset, by the time a decade passes it will be TOO LATE! This commie crap will be so well entrenched after 10 years that we will NEVER get rid of it! And think of how many "dissenters" they can get rid of in 10 years with this Euthanzie 'em all Population Control Bill in only 10 years. Just say NO to ANY version of this Nazi crap!!!
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    I'm with you, armed/safe. The sunset clause was very illuminating in the crime bill. Health Care, as it's being presented (on both sides) is a very complicated issue. With all the serious money being thrown about (on both sides), I can't be very positive that whatever the outcome, we, the taxpayer, is gonna get screwed.
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    There goes my Mom's ability to get treaments for her poly vera. Thank's Obamesiah. Thank's for putting a limit on my Mother's life for your own personal legacy.
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    HB 3200 is not about Health Care. It is not about Insurance coverage for anyone. It is a simple power grab by the Socialist Party of America, plain and simple. Look at Air Travel in America. What would happen if the Government made it free? We couldn't build enough Airplanes, and Airports to transport the lines of people that would be on hand to get their free trip. Same applies to medical care, and the Socialist know this already, so why? Government got involved in Schools/education. They were going to provide a great education for all American children. Did the quality of education go up? No, it went down. The same will happen to medical care once this bill is passed, and it will be passed. I had some hope that we could stop this monstrocity a few months back, but now I see that the Socialist Party in America is determined to pass this into law, and they have both the power, and the will to do so.
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    Is it okay to sell just half your soul to the Devil?
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    He only leased a third of it, compounding interest monthly, with a 20% late charge.
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    If they ram this through via reconciliation when The People have clearly stated they don't want it, there will be war. :mad:

    Oops, on another list. :rolleyes:
  9. armedandsafe

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    When you start to speak of war, keep in mind the example of Gandhi and the Dalai Lama. We will fight them with legal and peaceful means for as long as it takes. Extreme measures might be necessary, but only in the extremes, when all else has failed.

    Gandhi - 'Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest.

    Dalai Lama - "If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun."

    http://www.sightm1911.com/Care/Gun_Quotes.htm

    Pops
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    IF -- and I mean IF the clowns in DC ever invoke this provision to push forward on this unpopular and potentially deadly bill, every signature on it should be met every day, week, month when they return to their district or state. Imagine Pelosi's (stretched) face if every time she got off MY 757 in San Fran she were met by a very angry large group of citizens. And every time she gets back aboard, there were more there.

    We know 2010 is right around the corner, vote all these Bas***s out.

    "Locked and loaded"
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