Need help identifying this pistol- urgent!

Discussion in 'Curio & Relics Forum' started by johnc10, Nov 23, 2010.

  1. RJay

    RJay Well-Known Member

    Feb 22, 2004
    Goodyear, Arizona
    It is a very interesting little gun. I wish we could get pictures of, front, top, action open, clear picture of the grips and the other side.
  2. deadin

    deadin Well-Known Member

    May 16, 2006
    I've been watching this thread for the last week and am beginning to think this may be a "one-off" or tool room prototype that never went anywhere.

    I'm basing my opinion on the fact that the depth of knowledge here is quite high and no one has come up with just what it is. The grips sit at a strange angle and look like they were "borrowed" from something else and the fit and finish somehow just doesn't seem like anything that went into production.

  3. Jim K

    Jim K New Member

    Dec 6, 2009
    If there never was a trigger or plans for one, why a trigger guard? I have been thinking along the same lines as deadin, maybe a prototype or even a fake gun made for use in crime or to intimidate when a real gun is impossible to obtain. In that case, a trigger would not be needed, but then neither would a grip safety.

  4. 3/2 STA SS

    3/2 STA SS Active Member

    It looks like a ''KBK 120 Kirby Dirby with a sweet pepper outdrive.'' Thats the model I make up for stuff when I dont know what it is.....:)
  5. jlloyd73

    jlloyd73 Active Member

    Nov 28, 2010
    Where does the flux capacitor go?
  6. opoefc

    opoefc New Member

    Aug 15, 2009
    Some 30 yrs ago, I collected semi-auto pistols and belonged to the Nat'l Automatic Pistol Collectors Assoc and at one of their meetings, a similar guns was exhibited that fired by squeezing the lever on the back of the grip, instead of a standard trigger. It had a trigger guard however. A search of the European patent records may give a better answer. Ed.
  7. popgun

    popgun New Member

    Sep 21, 2009
    This is a Belgium WS or Wegria-Charlier made by Fabrique d'Armes Charlier & Companie, Liege. It's 6.35 mm Auto. Patented by inventor named Alfred Wegria in 1908, this pistol lacked a conventional trigger. It was fired by squeezing the pivoting lever set into the back strap of the butt.
    Last edited: Jan 2, 2011
  8. Jim K

    Jim K New Member

    Dec 6, 2009
    Great info, Popgun and Deadin! I really wonder how folks come up with info on something like that.

    I also wonder what the inventor could have been thinking, other than to just make something different. Still, some people must have bought the guns if they were made for 5 or 6 years.

  9. RJay

    RJay Well-Known Member

    Feb 22, 2004
    Goodyear, Arizona
    That would make an ideal front pocket carriy. Reach into your pocket for some loose change and "OPPS", a do it your self vasectomy:eek:
  10. Jim K

    Jim K New Member

    Dec 6, 2009
    I would imagine that the spring would have had to be pretty strong to prevent just that kind of accident. Still, it is like inventing the square wheel (can't accidentally roll away!) because one is tired of looking at round ones. I guess the "trigger guard" was just to satisfy convention.

    The value on something like that is always debatable. It is certainly rare; there are probably more Paterson Colts around. Yet, it was a design dead end, not the beginning of a legendary company. Any WAGs? I would say maybe $400 to an auto pistol collector.

    Last edited: Jan 3, 2011
  11. junk250

    junk250 New Member

    Feb 17, 2011

    That thing is wild !

    Pick it up to put it in your pocket..BANG

    Reach in your pocket to pull it out...BANG

    Check the grip safety...BANG

    Pick it up to unload it...BANG

    Well never's empty now anyway. :D
    Last edited: Feb 17, 2011
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