Need help identifying

Discussion in 'The Ask the Pros & What's It Worth? Forum' started by dlewis23, Jul 24, 2012.

  1. dlewis23

    dlewis23 New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2012
    Messages:
    3
    Hello,

    I got this gun for my birthday from a friend and I need some help identifying it. He doesn't really know much about guns so its a long shot for him.

    I think its a springfield but he was saying it uses 7.7 mm rounds but I always thought a springfield uses .30-06. But it also looks like a Japanese type 99 to me.

    Any help is greatly appreciated.

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]
    Last edited: Jul 24, 2012
  2. Alpo

    Alpo Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2007
    Messages:
    11,189
    Location:
    NW Florida
  3. Alpo

    Alpo Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2007
    Messages:
    11,189
    Location:
    NW Florida
    Power-wise, it's right in there with a 30/06, but it uses a slightly larger bullet - .312 versus .308.
  4. Alpo

    Alpo Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2007
    Messages:
    11,189
    Location:
    NW Florida
    More thoughts.

    If it has the chrysanthemum on the receiver, it will be worth more money. I'm not saying you should sell it, just letting you know. See mum at front of receiver?
    [​IMG]

    Many of the guns in this country have had the mum ground off. So a gun that still has the mum is more valuable.

    Also, if you remove the barrel band, in front of the receiver, you might find that the stock has been cut in two. This was done so that GIs could smuggle them into the country. If you take the barreled action out of the stock, the barreled action will fit in a GI duffel bag, but the stock is too long. They would cut the stock into two pieces, so it would be short enough to fit. They would make the cut underneath the band, so that when they put the gun back together, the band would hide the cut.
    Last edited: Jul 24, 2012
  5. Hammerslagger

    Hammerslagger New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2009
    Messages:
    1,097
    Some of these rifles have been modified (rechambered but not rebarreled) to .30-06 Springfield.

    Shooting the wrong ammo in a high power rifle, can wreck the rifle and seriously injure of kill you or others, nearby. Old military rifles have sometimes been altered from their original caliber. Just because a round will chamber and fire, does not mean that it is the right ammo or safe.

    You will be well advised and wise to have a competent gunsmith physically determine what cartridge this rifle is currently chambered for, and that its "headspace" is within safe limits before firing it!
  6. dlewis23

    dlewis23 New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2012
    Messages:
    3
    The mum is ground off. I noticed that a little bit after taking the pictures. I was like feeling it thinking something should be there.

    Giving it a pretty good look over it doesn't look at all like the stock has been cut in two. But I will remove the barrel band to see if it was cut.

    Thanks a ton for all the information. I really appreciate it. Overall was this gun pretty good? I remember watching some stuff on it but its been a while.

    Thanks again.
  7. CHW2021

    CHW2021 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2009
    Messages:
    534
    Location:
    Louisiana
    A general fyi, the Arisaka is one of the strongest actions made in WW2. There were later "last ditch" rifles made that were unsafe, but the earlier guns were exceptional. The rifle also had a chromed bore and fairly decent sights.
    You can look about for ammo and find companies other than Norme that have made ammo for the 7.7 Jap. Norma ammo is expensive, good ammo; but expensive.
  8. Detroit-1

    Detroit-1 Member

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2012
    Messages:
    45
    Location:
    Wisconsin
    Your gun is a early Toyo Kogyo series 34. Is it matching? Do the last three numbers of the seriel number match the number on the bolt? More than likely the bore is not chromed. I have many so called last ditch rifles and if in good shape are fine to shoot. It was the shooting of training rifles with smooth bores and cast iron recievers with live ammo and not blanks that can lead to problems. Hornady also makes ammo at around 28.00 a box. When you shoot it let us know how she did.
  9. dlewis23

    dlewis23 New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2012
    Messages:
    3
    Yes the numbers on the bolt match the last 3 numbers on the serial number.

    I saw the Hornady ammo but everywhere I look is sold out at the moment. Once I do get some I will update for sure on how she shoots.
  10. Jim K

    Jim K New Member

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2009
    Messages:
    6,397
    AFAIK, all the so-called "training rifles" (actually for use by high school and college students, not military trrainees) were in 6.5 caliber.

    Also, the rifle pictured by Alpo is a Type 38; the Type 99 will have different markings and one gas escape port.

    Jim
  11. Detroit-1

    Detroit-1 Member

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2012
    Messages:
    45
    Location:
    Wisconsin
    Yes the Type 38 trainer were in 6.5. But it could have been the shooting of ball ammo in the guns made for blanks that made some GI's feel that all Arisaka's were unsafe to shoot. I'am sure ALPO knew that it was a Type 38 he was just trying to show what a mum looks like.
  12. KennyL1960

    KennyL1960 New Member

    Joined:
    May 12, 2013
    Messages:
    1
    I have an early series 34 Toyo Kogyo Type 99 serial number low 8,000. Unfortunately it has been sportered like so many but I intend to restore to as original appearing as I can since it has an intact mum. Is the full length upper hand guard, cleaning rod, wooden butt plate accurate for an 8,000 range serial number? I also have a Howa Jyuko series 9 serial # mid 58,000 and while you can make out the mum it has been chisled. Although the Howa hasn't been sportered it has the wrong stock, I believe it has a Toyo Kogyo stock but I don't think it is correct for my series 34.

    Thanks
    Kenny
    Last edited: May 13, 2013
  13. Fatstrat

    Fatstrat Member

    Joined:
    Apr 17, 2003
    Messages:
    952
    Location:
    Okla.
    Ballistically, the Japanese 7.7 is a twin of the British .303.
  14. WHSmithIV

    WHSmithIV Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 3, 2012
    Messages:
    5,462
    Location:
    Moore, Idaho
    Thanks for this piece of info. It's an interesting historical piece of information that many of us may have never heard - I certainly hadn't !
  15. Buffalochip

    Buffalochip Active Member

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2008
    Messages:
    1,063
    I have a Type 99 long rifle, c 1939, in excellent condition. I've fired it four times--twice at 25 yds just to see where it would hit and then twice at 100yds. Both times you could cover the 2-bullet spread with a half dollar--all four bullets hit the vertical lines passing through the bulleye with the top bullet about an inch below dead center. I cleaned it and put it away. That loooong barrel and peep site make for a very accurate weapon. In a pinch, if I ever need a deer gun, I wouldn't hesitate to use it.
Similar Threads
Forum Title Date
The Ask the Pros & What's It Worth? Forum Need help with French Revolver... Wednesday at 10:39 AM
The Ask the Pros & What's It Worth? Forum Need help identifying these sling swivels. Jul 11, 2014
The Ask the Pros & What's It Worth? Forum Need Your Help GUYOT Question? Jul 6, 2014
The Ask the Pros & What's It Worth? Forum Need help determining value of WW2 Walther PPK Jun 30, 2014
The Ask the Pros & What's It Worth? Forum Help needed on age & rough value of inherited items Jun 26, 2014

Share This Page