need help on 41 byf to buy not to buy

Discussion in 'The Ask the Pros & What's It Worth? Forum' started by CHUCKEYCITY13, Apr 13, 2011.

  1. CHUCKEYCITY13

    CHUCKEYCITY13 New Member

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    I was offered this 41 byf luger I was able to take one pic I know its not enough but its all I have. The price is 1000.00 for the pistol its looks too good to me very clean can anyone tell from the single image if its a reblue all the numbers match and the bore is super clean looks to have been shot very little . Thanks for any help I have 24hrs to answer the guy on whether to buy it or not.

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  2. valbehaved

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    Impossible to tell from that one image.
    The wear on the sideplate is consistent with an original finish, however the blue looks too shiney and edges look to soft - but it could all be a function of lighting, resolution, etc.
    We need more pics....
  3. CHUCKEYCITY13

    CHUCKEYCITY13 New Member

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    I understand but as I stated earlier I was only able to get one photo thanks for you help.
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    My opinion - reblue. Color looks wrong (that shadow in the middle of it don't help none". Half of the 5 in that 1518 number has been polished away.
  5. Danny

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    I have one just as yours & to be honest it looks to good to be true. It looks a little to shinny to be next to the last byf 42 that ended Luger production. I may be wrong but even if it has been re-blued , the fxo mag is a 250 dollar item. For 1 grand I would jump on it less than a heart beat. Re-blue or not, they shoot great. Personally, I would nab it for sure.
    Kind Regards
    Danny
    Another point which leads me to believe it has been tamponed with is the safety lever not showing any wear & the word, Gesichert seems like it would not take the white filler,or it was partially buffed out. Really close up pics are needed to give an accurate value.
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    CHUCKEYCITY13 New Member

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    Thanks so much I will meet the owner in the AM and try and make the deal. Thanks again to everyone for all there help and once again sorry for the one picture
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    look inside the gun. Open the bolt and peer down the inside of the slide and frame. If its blue-its a reblue. IIRC, lugers were not dipped or submersed when blued. Only the outside exposed areas were blued. Also looks the wrong blue to me too. Lugers were originally a brownish blue, not a black blue.
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    Helix_FR:
    Your statement only holds true for Pre-1937 made lugers, which were "rust blued". Around Mid 1937 Mauser switched to "black oxide blue",also known as "salt blue" which was a "dip" and all the surfaces(internal and external) were blued. The resulting appearance was indeed a black blue finish, with occasional "plum" colors possible on the 1940-1942 made pistols, when the salts used in the process were not mixed correctly or were "weak"...
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  9. Danny

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    The SS added black grips on these & nicked name them Black Widows. I suppose they wanted these to match their black uniforms and put fear on the people.:mad:
    Danny
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  10. Jim K

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    Hi, Danny,

    I wonder if you have seen any documentation for the story about the black plastic grips being installed by the SS or any use of the term "Black Widow" by the Germans.

    Several sources and my own limited experience indicate the black Bakelite grips were used sporadically on factory production from 1940 on and the latest (e.g., the Portuguese contract) production was all plastic. The black plastic grips were also used in depot rebuild and issued to unit armorers for replacements. (The SS story sounds better, of course.)

    I believe the "Black Widow" story was made up by a U.S. dealer.

    FWIW, that gun has been reblued and was poorly polished (badly overpolished) in the process.

    Jim
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  11. Danny

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    Jim I will get U documentation, why do you think the fxo was made black?
    Danny
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  12. wonderwhippet

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    I think Danny is pulling our legs, as he is very well informed on this subject. The recently deceased world class collector/dealer Ralph Shattuck is given the credit for coining the name "Black Widow" for Lugers made with black composition grips. He may have done this to increase interest and sales in these weapons.
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    Whatever it is it sure is purdy.
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    I get it. The Borchardt grips were made brown because they were to be used by the brownshirts. OK.

    ;)

    Jim
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    Well Jim U R partially correct. The brown shirts had brown holsters, however after the Night of The Long Knives & a little later the holsters were in fact dyed black. That is the same time the daggers with the Rohm name was ground off and they still used them, brown handles and all. It was Himmler that designed the black handle SS dagger. Black everything was used by the SS & they carried the black plastic gripped Luger,the weapon of choice, not the P-38 as one would think. Even the SS honor ring was painted black, eek nay per say(LOL)
    Danny:)
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