need help to identify .22 rim fire revolver

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  1. sufian007

    sufian007 New Member

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    i own a .22 rim fire revolver.

    it has~2 inch octagon shaped barrel's and on the left side of the barrel it's marked
    .22RIM FIRE
    and upon the barrel it's marked
    H. & R.ARMS COMPANY.
    WORCESTER.MASS.U.S.A.
    It's a 7 shot. I've looked all over the gun and cannot find any other marks or stamps anywhere.
    the serial number is under the grip is 20950. ihave attached some pics..

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  2. b.goforth

    b.goforth New Member

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    the Hammerless Model H&R in 22 rimfire is another rare revolver. not so much in value but in the fact that not many of them were made. this model was actually cataloged as the H&R Hammerless Bicycle Model until the 1920's. i have listed the regular hammerless models but this model may have had its own serial number series and at the least does not follow the known pattern of other hammerless models.

    H&R HAMMERLESS SECOND MODEL SMALL FRAME TOP BREAK
    (SMOKELESS POWDER)----------------------------------------1905-1941
    Small Frame Double Action Hammerless Top Break revolver with double top post barrel latch; caliber and cylinder capacity, 32 S&W (5 rounds), 22 Rimfire (7 rounds); finish is nickel or blue (optional); grips are hard rubber with a target logo at the top; standard barrel length is 3 ¼ inch, with 4, 5 and 6 inch optional; rebounding hammer; automatic cylinder stop, caliber marking on left side of barrel. CALIBER MARKINGS ON LEFT SIDE OF BARREL DESIGNED FOR SMOKELESS POWDER CARTRIDGE PRESSURES ONLY
    First Variation, patent dates 5-14-89, 4-2-95, 4-7-96, serial number range 90000*-100000* (estimate)--------------------------1905-1906
    Second Variation, patent dates 4-2-95, 4-7-96 serial number range 100000*-120000* (estimate)-------------------------------1907-1909
    Third Variation, patent date 10-8-95, serial number range 120000*-180000* (estimate)----------------------------------------1910-1913
    Fourth Variation no patent dates small font use for company name. serial number range 180000*-190000*(estimate)------------1914-only
    Fifth variation, large font used in company name and state not spelled out (MASS), serial number range 190000*-200000* (estimate)----1915-only
    Sixth Variation, state name in address spelled out (MASSACHUSETTS) serial number range 200000*-220000* (estimate)------------1916-1924
    Seventh Variation, new grip frame it is now same width as rest of frame no step down for grips, serial number range unknown---------1925-1942
    After 1930 listed in catalogs as: HAMMERLESS No. 40 TOP BREAK 22 Rimfire7 shot and HAMMERLESS No. 45 TOP BREAK 32 S&W 5 shot
    VALUE: 100%=$265 60%=$75 Add 10% premium for blue finish; 20% premium 4”, 5” or 6” barrel; 20% premium for 22 rimfire caliber

    H&R HAMMERLESS BICYCLE SECOND MODEL----------------------1905-1920
    Same as H&R Hammerless First Model except 2 inch barrel only and 22 Rimfire 7 shot, 32 S&W 5 shot, all else is the same, not listed as a separate model after 1920 but 2 inch barrel was still available.
    VALUE: 100%=$295 60%=$145 Add 10% premium for blue finish; 20% premium for 22 rimfire caliber

    bill
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  3. johnlives4christ

    johnlives4christ Former Guest

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    that looks like it is in excellent shape mechanically, i've never seen one of those, not even in pictures. i like it
  4. deadin

    deadin Well-Known Member

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    What's with the left grip panel?? Has the top been broken off and replaced or was it made that way?
  5. sufian007

    sufian007 New Member

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    thank john.:)
  6. sufian007

    sufian007 New Member

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    thanks a ton bill... god bless u
  7. sufian007

    sufian007 New Member

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    its the serial no. it is made that way.
  8. Jim Hauff

    Jim Hauff New Member

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    Left grip panel should also have the Pat'd square bull's eye logo - that one's been modified.
  9. Jim K

    Jim K New Member

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    That left grip is half original. The bottom part is original, but the top part is a filler material that was added to replace a broken part. The checkering pattern is hand done, and the H&R trademark could not be reproduced so that part was just left blank. How much that affects value, I am not sure, but it is not as good as having the right grip.

    If you want a set of grips, try www.gungrips.com and see if they have repro grips for that gun.

    Jim
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