Discussion in 'The Ammo & Reloading Forum' started by ricknadine1111, Aug 12, 2010.

  1. ricknadine1111

    ricknadine1111 New Member

    May 26, 2009
    I have all redding loading equip such as the hand turrent loading bench model and the redding 44 special/ 44 mag reloading dies set that is titanium carbide.
    The problem I am having is when I seat my bullet the case is wrinkled below the bullet will this affect the performance and why is this happening?
    Should I purchase the redding set that is just for 44 mag not both 44 mag and 44 special, on the redding web sight the bullet seating die sets have different part numbers do you think they are defferent sets or sizes?
    Last edited: Aug 12, 2010
  2. lawdawg

    lawdawg Member

    Jun 21, 2010
    South Alabama
    You could be putting too much crimp and crushing your cases. It may help if you could post some photos of the cases. Your dies should be fine for loading 44 mag.

  3. carver

    carver Moderator Supporting Member

    I use the dies for both .44Mag, and .44spcl. I think lawdawg got it right, I agree with his take on this one. Back off on the amount of crimp, and set the bullet so that it doesn't quite make it to the crimp ring, then adjust slowly untill you have what you need.
  4. ricknadine1111

    ricknadine1111 New Member

    May 26, 2009
    I got it, I adjusted the die set up more in the turrent then tightened the lock ring, now I don't smash the case when I set the bullet, thanks
  5. JLA

    JLA Well-Known Member

    Feb 26, 2007
    Heart Of Texas
    excessive crimp caused that, your die was simply screwed down too far into the press.
  6. Popgunner

    Popgunner Active Member

    Dec 3, 2005
    Yup too much crimp crushed the case.

    With the 44 mag you'll want a very heavy crimp to keep the bullets from pulling out of the unfired cases in a revolver under recoil. If your cylinder locks up you'll know you need more crimp.

    I've fired cases similar to yours that weren't quite so crushed & they ironed out well. What do y'all think about firing some like this?(safety wise)
  7. gdmoody

    gdmoody Moderator Supporting Member

    Sep 7, 2007
    Athens, Georgia
    I have to agree with everyone else, too much crimp.
  8. johnlives4christ

    johnlives4christ Former Guest

    Apr 28, 2008
    you must have a heck of a gun on your arm to pull the handle hard enough to do that to a casing... i wussed out when belling
  9. The_Rifleman

    The_Rifleman Active Member

    Feb 10, 2010
    It looks as if they wouldn't fit in the chamber. I would pull them myself.
  10. woolleyworm

    woolleyworm Well-Known Member

    Feb 23, 2009
    SW Fort Worth
    +1 Being that crumpled, better just to pull'em and scrap the few quarters worth of brass and start over. Pretty severe crimp and that will affect the case volume and the brass is definitely going to be worked pretty hard if fired. Errr on the side of safety here.
  11. carver

    carver Moderator Supporting Member

    If your pistol is a Ruger, and the cases will fit in the cylender, then I would fire them. That will take most, if not all the wrinkle out of the cases. If they don't fit in the cylender, then pull the bullets, and save them, and the powder, and toss the cases.
  12. JLA

    JLA Well-Known Member

    Feb 26, 2007
    Heart Of Texas
    It really doesnt take a whole lot of force to smash a case, less than resizing the case actually.
  13. I've never been a big fan of a rolled crimp. For one thing they don't always work well, they are definitely bad for accuracy and cause some really hard on brass cases. That and the fact that I seldom shoot a bullet with a cannelure kinda rules them out for me. On the other hand I do use a taper crimp on the heavier .44 and .41 mag loads I brew up. Unfortunately that is an extra cost option with most die sets. Well at least it used to be. Its been a while since I have purchased any reloading dies.

    Have you had problems with bullets coming out of cases? The only handgun I ever had do it regularly was a .44 special Charter Arms Bulldog. That gun had an alloy frame and recoiled smartly. I was never able to completely stop that problen with stout reloads. Regardless of what kind and how severe a crimp I put on them. I solved that problem the old fashioned way. I sold the gun.
  14. wyoredot

    wyoredot New Member

    Dec 16, 2009
    I was thinking back on mine and don't recall having any bullet problems like creaping out. I generally like to shoot full house loads in my Smith, and I did crush the first few like you show in the pics but after adjusting things, I have had better luck.
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