NEF Handi-Rifle Accuracy Problems

Discussion in 'Technical Questions & Information' started by CountryGunsmith, Feb 23, 2003.

  1. BGG

    BGG New Member

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    The barrel has the 1 in 12" twist. The CS rep said they would ( probably) replace it. (They didn't) They also recommended a heavier bullet , early on, which flies in the face of the slow twist. I believe that's a PART of the problem - Wally World was selling "new" H&R's, with a barrel that was discontinued over three years ago. The freebore is so deep I can't get a deep enough C.O.A.L. to touch the lands.

    I worked up rounds with 50, 52 & 55 gr bullets. Checked my records - 3 powders - Hogden 335 & IMR 4064 & 4198. 'Bought some 40 gr Sierra's but haven't worked them up yet.

    Hopefully I can find something that will make it hit a tack, but I can't find any tacks the size of a LEMON ( or softball, or beach ball...)

    I could have it re-barreled, but I won't put another dime in the POS ( for now). I'm beyond disappointed. 'Just wanted everyone to know - the Handi "rifle" isn't necessarily a "great little gun". IF you want additional barrels, the receiver has to be sent back in to them. You can't just order additional barrels, like with the TC. They've been out of .308, & 45-70 since I bought it (not that I would have ANY confidence in getting something better).

    Based on their own "warranty work" it appears they are satisfied with ~3 MOA at 100 yds. That's AFTER I gave up and sent it back in, and they "fixed it"!

    Thanks for the replies and input!
  2. BGG

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    'Forgot to mention - it's the bull barell .223. The best THEY could do, with the "factory warranty retune" was 1.5 MOA from 50 yds ( assuming a bench vice). Pretty sad, huh?
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    I agree. That sucketh mightily...........
  4. Hawes45

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    I have a .223 heavy bbl that I use Hornady Vmax 55gr that I have excellent results
    as I can shoot 5 shot groups at 200yds that I can lay a nickel over. I had horrible results with Remmington ammo Federal and Winchester high end lines were pretty
    good but the Hornady was the best for me any way.
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    I have one of these in .204 Ruger, and it will shoot ok with hand loads but I need to have tthe trigger worked over. I thought about doing it myself but.... I'm no gunsmith and don't want to do it harm. Any pointers from you pros?
  6. longrangehunter

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    mine will shoot dimes at 50 yards but was all over the place at 100 yards. Read on www.gunnersden.com where it will shoot 1.5" high at 100 yards and straight on at 200 yards. I have been using 100 grain hornady rounds but only went out to 100 yards so maybe will set up for 200 yards. If that doesn't work I will also try 85 grain since I have heard these rifles shoot this grain better than the higher grain.
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  7. nativetexican

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    Concerning accuracy problems with an NEF rifle..I own three barrels, .223, .243, and 7mm.08. After purchasing the first caliber, I was obviously impressed enough to order two more. I find these rifles, with my handloads, to shoot under .75 inch groups with a rest. I ordered the handi-rifle (amb) thumbhole stock which seems to be a better platform.
    Having shot Ruger #1's, I find no accuracy difference. You are aware of the cost difference. Might consider handloading for more consistent groups. Good luck...
  8. pricedo

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    Re: You can't make a silk purse out of a pigs ear

    I have one in .45-70 GOV'T & another in .308 Win.

    For < $500 for gun + scope what do you want?

    They're not going to shoot like $5000+ custom rifles with Schmidt & Bender scopes sitting on top of Surgeon actions & Krieger barrels. If they did bench rest shooters wouldn't be ponying up the big dollars for precision rifle/scope combinations.

    If you can get an honest 2 " group @ 100 yards with one of these clunkers consider yourself lucky.

    With iron sights or a Tasco or Simmons scopes on them they're el-cheapo meat-getters for the financially challenged that will shoot MOH (Minute-Of-Hog) & fill a freezer........that's as good as it gets for less than $500.

    I'd like to encounter one of the guys who claim consistent & repeatable < 1 MOA with a NEF/H&R single shot at the range & bet him that for every "called" 1 " or less 3 shot group at 100 yards he fired I would pay him $100 & every time his group size went over 1 " he would pay me $100. I'm betting the guy would find an excuse to have to go home before a single bullet traveled down range.:rolleyes:
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  9. watsisname

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    I have a couple of Handi rifles and they can be a very accurate hunting rifle. They are a tinkerer's gun. If you don't mind playing with them you will usually get good results. The first thing to do is to remove the forend and shoot a couple of shots. If your grouping improves your problem is likely the forend is touching the barrel. Place a small O-ring between the stud and the forend. That should leave enough space between the forend and the barrel that you can slide a playing card between the barrel and forend.
    Triggers are more than often heavy and gritty but H&R will do a trigger job for free if you ship them your receiver. I have had mine done and they feel great at about 3 lbs.
    The other thing that I found with mine is that they prefer handloads. I usually try several powder and bullet combinations until I get the most accurate loads. It is amazing to see the difference, you can go from 8" groups to 1/2" with some loads.
    Don't give up!
  10. Country101

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    I got one in 30-06 and sold it without too much hesitation. I couldn't get better than a 6" group at 100 yards. I know they are an inexpensive gun, but I expect better than that. I tried several differant bullets and weights and had no differance in grouping that was good enough for me to want to keep it. I could have gotten some better with a trigger job, but didnt want to spend the money on it.
  11. pricedo

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    The NEF/H&R single shot firearms are no frills freezer fillers

    The NEF/H&R single shots are austerity times, short range meat-getters & in retrospect from a purely practical point of view I would have been better off buying a NEF/H&R single shot shotgun rather than a rifle model because they are much more versatile in that you could use the shot shells for squirrels, ducks, rabbits and upland game & the slugs for hogs & deer.

    I owned a H&R 12 gauge single shot & with slugs it was just as if not more accurate than the rifle models I own now. A buddy of mine joked that regardless if your NEF/H&R single shot was a rifle or a shot gun you got a pattern (rather than a group) at the target end of the range.

    Precision, long range guns they ain't but if hard times have befallen you in this sour economy & there isn't much jingle left in the cookie jar these no frills, low maintenance, game gathering tools will definitely fill a stew pot or a freezer. That's their niche on the firearms evolutionary scale & they fill it well.
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  12. kpbkpb

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    read thru most of the comments about the handi-rifle and checked out some of the items. I recently bought the handi-rifle with a 24 inch,223, heavy barrel. I then sent it back to be fitted with a 22 hornet barrel. The hornet shoots is more accurate than the 223. I called H & R and requested the twist of each rifle. 223=1/12 22 hornet=1/16 The stock is the synthetic with thumb hole.
    I then checked for the stress relief, the barrels did not ring when struck, which means neither was stress relieved. Next I checked for clearance between the forearm and the barrel. It's funny because the 223 heavy barrel which was the barrel bought with the stock had no clearance between the barrel and forearm,
    however the 22 hornet had ample clearance. I found a wooden dowel the same diameter as the 223 barrel placed one layer of 120 grit sand paper on it and ran the forearm back and forth increasing the grove diameter until a dollar bill would slip easily between the barrel and the forearm. I have not tested the fix yet, will post results later. I am still worried that as time passes the synthetic stock will pressure flow where the barrel is retained by the screw. There should have been a metal spacer in the screw hole so deformation could not happen.
    I reload my ammo which find very interesting. I am getting groups if 1/2 inch at 100 yards with the hornet using 10.5 grains of h4198 powder and 40 grain sierre blitzking bullets. I love this cartridge. Have already killed one coyote, two crows, and an armadillo with three bullets. Managed to get two crows lined up for one shot, that was great. If any handloaders are shooting 223, and have developed an very accurate combination please advise. later
  13. kpbkpb

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    Remember the line of sight for the scope is normally 1" to 1.5" above the barrel of the rifle. That means the bullet will rise as it leaves the barrel and pass though the line of the scope. As air resistance and gravity act on the bullet it will fall back through the line of sight of the scope. In reality you have two distinct points that the bullet path and the line of the scope actually match. What caliber are you shooting?
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