New Tennessee education law

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  1. ampaterry

    ampaterry *TFF Admin Staff Chaplain* Staff Member Supporting Member

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    We are sure hearing a lot in the news about this new law in TN.
    The TN House and Senate passed it by a HUGE majority -
    Governor Haslam was presented with a petition signed by THOUSANDS of people asking him to VETO it.
    He sidestepped the issue by doing a pigeon-hole pass; that means he simply does nothing one way or another, and the bill becomes law WITHOUT his signature.

    The right press says it is an educational freedom bill.
    The left press says it allows the teaching of religion in public schools.

    It is time to look at the BILL and find out what it REALLY is.

    Here is the FULL TEXT of this bill:


    HOUSE BILL 368
    By Dunn​
    SENATE BILL 893
    By Watson
    AN ACT to amend Tennessee Code Annotated, Title 49,
    Chapter 6, Part 10, relative to teaching scientific
    subjects in elementary schools.​
    BE IT ENACTED BY THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF THE STATE OF TENNESSEE:
    SECTION 1. Tennessee Code Annotated, Title 49, Chapter 6, Part 10, is amended by
    adding the following as a new, appropriately designated section:
    (a) The general assembly finds that:
    (1) An important purpose of science education is to inform students about
    scientific evidence and to help students develop critical thinking skills necessary
    to becoming intelligent, productive, and scientifically informed citizens;
    (2) The teaching of some scientific subjects, including, but not limited to,
    biological evolution, the chemical origins of life, global warming, and human
    cloning, can cause controversy; and
    (3) Some teachers may be unsure of the expectations concerning how
    they should present information on such subjects.
    (b) The state board of education, public elementary and secondary school
    governing authorities, directors of schools, school system administrators, and public
    elementary and secondary school principals and administrators shall endeavor to create
    an environment within public elementary and secondary schools that encourages
    students to explore scientific questions, learn about scientific evidence, develop critical
    thinking skills, and respond appropriately and respectfully to differences of opinion about
    controversial issues.
    (c) The state board of education, public elementary and secondary school
    governing authorities, directors of schools, school system administrators, and public
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    elementary and secondary school principals and administrators shall endeavor to assist
    teachers to find effective ways to present the science curriculum as it addresses
    scientific controversies. Toward this end, teachers shall be permitted to help students
    understand, analyze, critique, and review in an objective manner the scientific strengths
    and scientific weaknesses of existing scientific theories covered in the course being
    taught.
    (d) Neither the state board of education, nor any public elementary or secondary
    school governing authority, director of schools, school system administrator, or any
    public elementary or secondary school principal or administrator shall prohibit any
    teacher in a public school system of this state from helping students understand,
    analyze, critique, and review in an objective manner the scientific strengths and scientific
    weaknesses of existing scientific theories covered in the course being taught.
    (e) This section only protects the teaching of scientific information, and shall not
    be construed to promote any religious or non-religious doctrine, promote discrimination
    for or against a particular set of religious beliefs or non-beliefs, or promote discrimination
    for or against religion or non-religion.
    SECTION 2. By no later than the start of the 2011-2012 school term, the department of
    education shall notify all directors of schools of the provisions of this act. Each director shall
    notify all employees within the director's school system of the provisions of this act.
    SECTION 3. This act shall take effect upon becoming a law, the public welfare requiring
    it.


    Note that this bill SPECIFICALLY PROHIBITS the introduction of religion into the scientific debate -

    As usual, the atheist naturalists are lying about it.
    But if they told the REAL language of this bill, how could they convince anyone to oppose it?

    Allow students to CRITICALLY approach scientific issues that the priesthood of science has declared to be true?
    How can the republic survive??
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    it bugs me that creation isnt specifically listed. i know it says not limited to those listed...

    but, troy & i didn't choose public education for our kids, they were homeschooled. no way would i ever trust someone else to teach my kids those things i find so important in life.
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    Is this like a separation of church and state?
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    The law, as written, COMPLIES with the directive that government won't either PROMOTE nor HINDER a religion.

    The Atheist heirarchy of science, however, is not satisfied with that; they want their pet theories taught as fact, unopposed and unquestioned.

    All this law does is allow questioning of theories.

    Evolution, meaning that living things change over time, is indeed a fact.

    'Evolution', meaning we descended from monkeys as Darwin said, is not even a good theory, let alone a fact.
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    Haslam has his head up his butt.....
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    So its scientific theory vs religious theology? Can not the two co-exist, perhaps be intertwined?
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    Are you on the correct thread? Your reply is totally abstract.
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    You didn't read original post to well....

    We are sure hearing a lot in the news about this new law in TN.
    The TN House and Senate passed it by a HUGE majority -
    Governor Haslam was presented with a petition signed by THOUSANDS of people asking him to VETO it.
    He sidestepped the issue by doing a pigeon-hole pass; that means he simply does nothing one way or another, and the bill becomes law WITHOUT his signature.
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    I'm sorry, I didn't know who the Gov of Tenneessee is. I quess I was expecting more substance in the replies.
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    How old do you think the earth is? 6,000 years old or billions of years old
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    Cant say, I was never invited to any of it's birthday parties.......:p
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    Read Ken Ham's book "The Lie" if you want clarification on what the controversy is.
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    Thanks oneshot I did a quick scan.
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    And that discussion, folks, such as what is the age of the earth - is ILLEGAL in the classroom until this law takes effect. Questioning the dogma of the day, be that one billion years as was taught a few decades ago, or multiple billions as is taught today, was seen as introducing religion into the classroom.
    Completely idiotic, and an idiocy that is now corrected.
    Students NOW can discuss such things, and ask WHY scientists used to say the earth was a billion years old and now claim it is 4.5 billion years old. They can discuss the evidence that it is not that old, such as the carbon dating of diamonds and coal.

    But those whose careers are vested in being the unquestioned authorities are IRATE about it -
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    I spent $100.00 with National Geographic to join the Genographic project. The genetic markers that define my ancestral history reach roughly 60,000 years to the first common marker of all non-African men. Later marker indicate I'm a direct descendant of people who dominated the human expansion into Europe, the Cro-Magnon. Time of emergence: around 30,000 years ago.

    Now, if the earth is only 6,000 years old, which is what I hear some thumpers preaching, then National Geopgraphic is wrong.

    Can I get my money back.
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    LOL - probly not.

    Next time you are talking to one of those mitochondrial DNA folks who think they can set dates using genetic material, mention the work on the Czar's in Russia which proved it is WILDLY innacurate - -
    That is the test case I present to Steven J. Goulde which stumped him.
    He said he needed to do some more research into it, and would contact me when he got back from a lecture circuit.
    He died before we got in contact again.
    And today, he knows the truth.

    Oh - I do not hold to a strict 6,000 year old date.
    But absolutely positively NOT a date in even six digits -
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    Thanks,Terry