I read somewhere that Colt buys blanks from Uberti and finish them out as their SA Colts. I am not sure if this is true. You can't find any Colt SA anyway and if you do they are over $1500.
Cimarron has certain standards that must be met by Uberti with the pistols that sell under their name for import. Apparently they have a higher standard of quality, tighter tolerences.
One place this lacks is the machined screws. They are not hardened so if you booger a screw, it's marred. They sell an after market screw set for $89 that resolves this issue.
Edit: Found out Brownells has a hardened screw set for $56.
Congrats on one very nice revolver, Mak! I've got one just like it - and I really enjoy shooting it more than any other pistol I own. For grins and giggles - try some of the Winchester .45 Colt "Cowboy" ammo. Mine loves the stuff. I load all of my ammo to duplicate it. Had to go with the Lyman 255 grain Keith-style cast bullet (and use Unique powder), and it is very pleasant and accurate to shoot. The Oregon Train 250 grain "silver" bullets also work very well in it.
Tried to load some black powder rounds for it, but while fun to shoot, the base pin picked up so much carbon that after a few cylinders the action became hard to operate. I carry my .45 in a Cavalry holster on a web "prairie" cartridge belt like the Troopers used to use. The flap-over holster works great as protection from dust and scratches for the weapon, and looks great, too.
Thanks for your follow up Jim Brady.
When I ordered the revolver I also ordered 20 rds of Hornady Cowboy loads, 255 gr.
THank you for the recipe!
I've yet to get the dies/brass/bullets, Mama says "Next month's budget".
Interesting on the BP loads. I will probably experiment one day with BP but for now I'm going smokeless.
Best regards.
Never tried the Hornady ammo - just the Winchester Cowboy (boxes of 50) and it was fantastic. When you get set up for reloading, PM me and I'll let you know what I've used. This is one great pistol/caliber and I'm thinking you're gonna love it!
Jim, if he doesn't love it there's something terribly amiss....
My first big bore revolver was a Ruger SBH and I shot it for a few years and killed a couple deer with it. Sometime in the early 80's I think, I picked up a Colt SAA clone in 45 Colt. Wasn't long the 44 Mag. went down the road and the 45 has been my "big bore of choice" ever since. I like the 44 Spl. too but it doesn't share the same history as the ol' hogleg cartridge. Then about 2000 or 2001 I picked up a Freedom Arms Mod. 97 in 45 Colt. If I need horsepower in a handgun it has the capability.
Sharps, I have a little regret now not getting the Winchester 94 in 45 Colt (as we were discussing in PMs back a few months ago when trying to decide) but the 38/55 sure has been fun.
We had a WAGUNS.NET reunion on Jan 1st, an annual tradition, at the Evergreen Sportsman Club and naturally I brought the black powder cartridge rifles with.
My first six shots at 100 yard shots with the Winchester 94 in 38-55 reported a nice crisp clear "GONG" on one of the 12" steel targets. The feller next to me looked at me in astonishment and said "Nice shooting John Wayne" LOL! I gave the rifle all the credit.
I did not know this. Now you have me chasing stories.
An important consideration for the beginning shooter is caliber. During the heyday of Schuetzen at the turn of the century, .38-55 and .32-40 dominated the firing lines, and to a great extent do today as well. Both of these calibers were designed to hold a fairly large charge of black powder, but most of our modern competitors use smokeless, so there is a fairly significant group that has moved to smaller cartridges. A discussion of these is beyond the scope of this brochure, but for now it would be well to stick with the classics above, as well as perhaps the .30-30 class and the .32-20. Again, these will make it possible to get started, and as skill and experience progress, a different caliber may be tried. It should also be mentioned here that many shooters of reproduction single shots are going to .40 and .45 caliber rounds for their rifles, and there is certainly nothing wrong with them, but the larger rounds are much more difficult to shoot well over a long course of fire due to fatigue and flinch. If one is interested in one of the larger calibers, or already has an otherwise suitable rifle so chambered, they can come shoot it...some of our matches even have an over .40 event, and that doesn't mean age!
Schuetzen Rifles; History and Loadings by Gerald O. Kelver is a pretty good overview. "Major Ned Roberts and The Schuetzen Rifle" by the same author is good but more about Roberts than the rifle.
Mini range report.
34 deg with a 45 mph wind blow sideways on the range. DANG it was cold!
I used a standard one grip stance on both the 45 colt and S&W 357 magnum.
I only had 20 rds of 45 colt with me, 10 shot. 1 shot (the first) I think I completely missed the target at 50 feet!
Definitely not a good day to shoot and froze my butt off, thus the low hole count in the paper. With the black sights of the Colt 1873 on the black paper, this wasn't a good combo.
The Cimarron Colt 1873 Cav revolver was a pleasure to shoot! The hammer really functions nice and the trigger breaks crisp, cleanly. I don't have a trigger pull gauge but I would guess it's got a 3 lb pull. Slightly less than the S&W Mod 66 .357 mag.
The one head shot was intentional with the .357 mag.
To call SAA sights rudimentary is being kind. However, they can be worked with and some good work done. Depending on how willing a fella is to take a file to a new handgun you can open up the "hog trough" rear notch a little and get some more light around the front sight. The front sight blade can also be thinned. I doubt anyone has to say that shooting in that kind of wind and being cold is not conducive to good shooting.
Congrats on one very nice revolver, Mak! I've got one just like it - and I really enjoy shooting it more than any other pistol I own. For grins and giggles - try some of the Winchester .45 Colt "Cowboy" ammo. Mine loves the stuff. I load all of my ammo to duplicate it. Had to go with the Lyman 255 grain Keith-style cast bullet (and use Unique powder), and it is very pleasant and accurate to shoot. The Oregon Train 250 grain "silver" bullets also work very well in it.
Tried to load some black powder rounds for it, but while fun to shoot, the base pin picked up so much carbon that after a few cylinders the action became hard to operate. I carry my .45 in a Cavalry holster on a web "prairie" cartridge belt like the Troopers used to use. The flap-over holster works great as protection from dust and scratches for the weapon, and looks great, too.
I loaded up a few Hodgdon Triple Se7en .44 loads for my Redhawk. Big mistake. While it contains no sulphur, it gunks up the cylinder, forcing cone, barrel, etc. pretty badly. Took for-ev-er to clean it, especially cuz you have to practically take the gun apart just to remove the cylinder. Learned my lesson with that one. Never again.
Follow up. This revolver still consistently shoots 2" high and 2" left. (Sandbagged)
Fix front site so nothing I can do there except perhaps bend it slightly which I will not chance doing.
I'm really disappointed in this purchase, but it is still fun to shoot, I just have to remember to aim low and left.
Cimarron won't pay for a barrel replacement or servicing unless it is off by 3" or more.
That is too bad because they have a lot of historical reproductions I'd like to buy but I will not because of the quality on target of this first Cimarron.
Mak, I had a Uberti Cimarron in .45 colt, this was the "charcoal blue" with 5 inch barrel, very nice looking gun, shot fairly well but I'd played with a friends Bisley model Ruger and that thing spoiled me so it got traded off for a brandy new Ruger Bisley. the best part of the story is the dealer offered me 50 bucks more than I paid for the Uberti in trade and going by pricing on used Bisleys I could sell mine for twice what I paid for it new.
BTW, if you don't like yours, my trash can is available for your use in disposing of it.
Potter, it isn't the finish Mak is complaining of, it's the hardness or rather the lack thereof that bothers him.
My Ruger Vaquero is pretty accurate once I got used to the sights. I always shot blackhawks with the good target sights before getting this gun.
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