Newbie questions: Shooting and missing

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  1. hartfish

    hartfish New Member

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    I was given a SA Mil Spec for Chirstmas. I've shot about 250 rounds through it so far, but I can't hit squat. It's all over the place.

    Is it me or the gun?

    I'm not the most experienced handgunner--I shoot long guns proficiently, though--so i'm wondering if i'm expecting too much or if I just need to work on my form. It seems to shoot low/right (I'm a left-handed shooter) and I was told I may be pushing it down in anticipation of the recoil. However,

    What kind of accuracy/groups should I expect out of the box?

    Should I consider replacing the sights with adjustables?

    How can I tell if it's me or the gun?

    I appreciate the advice.
  2. Shooter45

    Shooter45 *Administrator* Staff Member

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    The pistol should hold a 2.5" - 3.5" group at 25 yds.

    It may be you so let someone who you know can shoot a pistol have a try. See if they do any better.

    Try standing about 7 yds away from a PAPER target and shoot for group. Use a good two hand grip and gently press the trigger. Let the trigger reset, aim carefully and gently press the trigger again. Take your time and practice. You won't get good at it overnite.

    The 1911 recoil isn't bad so don't let it scare you. Have a friend watch you shoot to make sure you are not flinching.

    Keep us posted on your practice and we can help. :)
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    Print this out and use it at the range. I use it when I give people instruction:

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    I thought I had coppied that pie chart, but couldn't find it. The site I posted above gives the same information, but does it with pictures for each segement of the pie, and it's in PDF format.
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    How you hold a 1911 can mean the difference between groups and patterns.
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    If you question the gun like Shooter says let someone with experience shoot it. You will find 99.9% its not the gun. Don't make any modifications to the gun based upon the way your shooting it yet. Of course a trigger, gripes, or sights can change how a gun shoots but I say you will see improvement when you learn what your doing wrong first. Then decide what changes you want to make to it.
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    Get someone to teach you how to shoot a handgun. Shooting a rifle and a handgun are totally un-related except for the fact they both make a loud noise. You can go take lessons and save yourself a lot of heartache. I was an awesome rifle shooter, and I had to get an action pistol shooter and a bullseye pistol shooter to teach me how to shoot pistol. Different techniques for each discipline.
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    and most imortantly... Practice practice practice.
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    Best thing I can advise you is to shoot at a shorter distance, 5-10 yrds tops and keep yourself consistent. Use a rest or sandbags on a bench and make sure your mechanics are the same with every pull. Use the same brand ammo until you get consistency on the target. Don't shoot for bullseyes or try moving your point of aim until you have consistent groups. Don't even make any sight adjustments, just focus on your technique and being stable. Same sight picture, same point of aim, practice practice practice. Once you've done this, you'll be able to diagnose where the problem is at quite easily.

    Good luck and let's see some pics of that Springer !!

    Woolley
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    dang it.... ya beat me to it ! you musta posted while I was typing out my above reply... :D
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    try shooting it from a table and see if u hit anything, i did have the same problem at one time could not figure out what i was doing wrong could not hit anything it was because i was not holding the gun up high enough on the handle-good luck let us know what happens
  13. JLA

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    I find most new handgun shooters tend to pull the muzzle low while they are jerking the trigger. I have taught alot of folks how to shoot handguns and this is the way of 99% of them. I had 1 kid, my lil sisters feonce', who listened to everything i told him and did exactly everything i showed him and he was rewarded with some very tight groups on the center of the target to take home. He had never shot a handgun (aside from airsoft guns) in his life. and he went home with a 50 rd B27 fired with a .45ACP 1911, a 50 rd B27 fired with a CZ75 9mm, and a 50 rd B27 fired with a CZ83 .380, and also a practice target fired with a bersa thunder .22. All 4 targets had better than a 4" center mass hole in them.

    He then went and bought him a 9mm handgun for HD/CC.
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    Good info for me as well.
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    I would have to add practice proper technique, dont just practice. Reinforcing poor habits does not make a shooter a better shooter.
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    Practice Doesn't Make Perfect, Perfect Practice Makes Perfect! Not trying to be a butt head, but with a hand gun you gotta know what's what! I really think the OP needs to get some "good" instruction from some one who teaches hand gun shooting, not his BIL who thinks he knows how (unless he really does). Then Practice, Practice, Practice!
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    C'mon guys even a blind squirrel finds a nut now and then.. I have seen some pretty unorthodox shooting techniques work for people and its because they practiced extensively.

    Dont get me wrong, you guys are right, but practicing even if you dont have proper instruction or shooting technique will teach you how to better handle the weapon to make it hit the target. Some folks will shoot 200 rounds before they figure it out and others may shoot 2000, but practice, even uninstructed practice, will make you a better shooter.
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    A good friend manages a gun store & range (and is also a multi-certified instructor) and he tells me it's amazing how many folks bring back guns that are "broke" and can't hit a target...
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    Not sure how this would work in a semi-auto, but when I was training with the .38 special someone would load a spent case in along with the live rounds then watch me shoot. I would not know where the spent case was in the revolver. If I flinched or anticipated the recoil in any way it would show up when I "shot" the spent case. Is it possible to load a spent case somewhere in the magazine? Would there be a feed problem trying to load an empty case?
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    Lot's of good advice by the others here.

    But'..., I don't believe anyone asked what type and brand of ammo were you shooting?
    For better control you might load or have someone reload a few dummy rounds for your magazine, close your eyes as you load a magazine or have someone load the magazines for you loading in one or two dummies randomly; as the dummy rounds come into the chamber and you attempt to fire them; it should show you where the muzzle is going and what you need to work on.
    Good Luck
    436
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