No Commencement Prayer

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  1. Bernie109

    Bernie109 Former Guest

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    I am not a scholar of the bible but I believe somewhere in Mathew,Jesus says to pray in the closet.

    True he did, but not in the context that you believe i is in. He was talking about those who pray on the street to show off their holiniess. To pray as a group for a common goal is not what Jesus was talking about here. Also, to make faith a private matter to be hidden from public views and policy, Jesus said "One does not light a lamp and place it under a rock, one lights a lamp and places it on top of the rock in order so that it can give light." Jusus refers to himself as the light of the world and we are not to practice one thing in private and another in public. If this nation is indeed a "God free zone" Then we are history. If God does not judge America, he owes Soddom & Gomoora an appology.
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    According to who? An activist judge? A liberal elite? A moral relativist? The ACLU? I think the majority of Americans would disagree with you there Green. Of course that is why the battle for the supreme court is so important to the left. Why get the opinion of the people when a few judges with agendas will give you what you want?
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    According to who? An activist judge? A liberal elite? A moral relativist? The ACLU? I think the majority of Americans would disagree with you there Green. Of course that is why the battle for the supreme court is so important to the left. Why get the opinion of the people when a few judges with agendas will give you what you want?

    It becomes a question of who's theological standard we are going to follow.
    The left, claiming freedom from religion, actually seeks to impose a secular theology. It is one thing to accept the will of the majority, but when the majority vote to keep marriage the way God intended it, the Left seeks to invoke thier Theological standard and claim the will of the people is wrong and that it needs to be "Fixed"

    As Joshua once demanded "Choose this day whom you shall serve!"
  4. Marlin T

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    So tell me, what religion would be established just by placing the ten commandments anywhere?
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    Well to start with,I am glad Bernie does not agree with me here. OK ALL?? We are not one troll.I stand by what I posted. The subject is one that can be a little bit of a tickler. Marlin t, The Christian religion to your Q. What purpose would the Ten Commandments being posted achieve? Most people have a pretty good knowledge of it,including those on death row. Our laws are not based on them. It is NOT against the law to worship other Gods.It's NOT against the law to keep holy the sabbath. It is NOT against the law not to honor your parents. Nor commit adultry, bear false wittness.(the religious right does it every day) nor covet your neighbors wife. The ONLY two that apply to law is killing and stealing. And long before the Ten Commandments, those two laws were observed by civilization. And Bernie,the lite and candle, Jesus meant to lead by example,practice your faith. Not pray horizontal for others to here your prayers for personal gain. Verticle,upward to God. God hears.Be it left or right, when the courts go to the right or left they impose their so-called values on ALL. All the more reason to keep the "WALL" up. Go to church. Go to the polls to vote.Keep them separate! My two fingers are tired now.
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    Interesting answer, lets take a closer look at this.

    Chris┬Ětian (kr[​IMG]s[​IMG]ch[​IMG]n)

    [size=-1]ADJECTIVE: [/size]

    1. Professing belief in Jesus as Christ or following the religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus.
    2. Relating to or derived from Jesus or Jesus's teachings.
    3. Manifesting the qualities or spirit of Jesus; Christlike.
    4. Relating to or characteristic of Christianity or its adherents.
    5. Showing a loving concern for others; humane.
    [size=-1]NOUN: [/size]

    1. One who professes belief in Jesus as Christ or follows the religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus.
    2. One who lives according to the teachings of Jesus.
    Ok, now I'll ask the question again.
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    Read my whole post. It is not hard to understand. And, again,The Christian religion. Who else?
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    Damn, and all this time reading the Bible, I thought the Ten Commandments was given to Moses on the Mount. Let's see, Moses, uhuh, I really think so, wasn't he..................., now correct me if I'm wrong...........................


    HEBREW?????


    DOH, YOU JUST BLEW IT THERE GREEN!!!!!!!
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    SEMPER FI BUBBA------------ :cool:
  10. Bernie109

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    Governemnt cannot establish faith. Governemnt however should reflect the faith of the people. The religious right want this to be a "Christian nation" This denotes somethking from the top down and cannot nor should not be done.
    A "Nation of Christians" Is another matter. If the majority of the nations are people of faith, thier voting record should reflect that. A Christian can never vote to have governemnt redefine marriage, make adultery ok, abort unwanted babies, or call upon the governemnt to do anuthing God considers an abomination.
    It is our lack of absoutes that is the root of many of our problems.
    God says "You shall not steal" We say You cannot be blamed for stealing if you are poor.
    God says "You shall not commit adultery," We say go ahead, jus tuse a condom
    God says "You shall not murder" We say you can't be blamed for it if you rvictim deserves it.
    Jesus said "There are none rightous" We say There are no bad people, only those who are not being paid enough to be good.
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    Correct me if I am wrong but do not the minutes kept from the Continental Congress indicate multiple prayers being offered during their meetings? If I understand correctly they would offer several in a row so that multiple religions were represented. Wasn't one of their first acts of the Congress to create a day of Thanksgiving to adore the superintending Providence of Almighty God; to acknowledge with gratitude their obligation to Him for benefits received and to implore such further blessing as they stand in need of? Even if the seperation of church and state is misinterpreted as those who fight against public prayer would have you believe, how does that violate anyone elses rights any more than my rights are being infringed upon to not be able to worship as I choose to in public? Simply hearing a prayer does not impose or force you to worship as I do. There is no basis for argument against public prayer and displays of worship. Should we start demanding that yarmulkes, turbans, rosaries, crosses, statues, be kept in the home and not in public places? Those all denote a specific religions.
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