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No more semi-auto centerfire handguns in California!

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#1 ·
The micro-engraving requirement will be implemented on all new semi-auto centerfire handguns submitted for approval and listing on the CA handgun list. No semi-auto centerfire handguns will be added or re-newed without micro-engraving on the firing pin. It appears all the manufacturers will no longer provide semi-auto centerfire handguns for sale in CA once the current listed guns fall off the list. Guns must be renewed regularly (is it every 5 years ???). So within five years all will fall off the list because the manufacturers will not comply with the CA law. If you have a favorite semi-auto centerfire handgun and you live in CA you had better buy it today and not wait. My understanding is revolvers are not impacted by this law.

There apparently is a lawsuit in the works but that could take years. The Supreme Court has already said that guns for protection should not be limited but be the popular guns of the day. So this law about micro-engraving has limited our gun choices and goes against that Supreme Court ruling, it seems (??). But the wheels of the judicial system can move very slowly.

Buy that semi-auto centerfire handgun today!!

The above is what the local dealer is telling me. Based on what I have read it appears correct. If not then please speak up.

LDBennett
 
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#2 ·
Looks like I got out just in time, and I got my Colorado license in the mail last week.

The tree huggers and Dems had truely ruined the state.
The gun shops should sue under the anti trust act. It isn't price fixing, but it is product fixing, and it's going to ruin all the gun businesses in the state. The technology development $$ doesn't justify the sales returns in CA..
 
#5 ·
So tell me how this works?

The firing pin hits the primer and leaves a micro number on the primer?
In theroy, that's the way it works. But it's just a theroy at this time. Even if they couyld micro stamp the end of the firing pin, what's to stop me from grinding it down a little, and welding on any extra that I might need? This is just smoke, and mirrors from the comunist state of CA! At present time there is no way to do this.
 
#6 ·
Firing pins are service item. They break all the time. Just replace the firing pin if you buy one. If the people in CA keep electing these liberal whacko's its not going to get better. You need to show them if they keep doing things like this they will be looking for work. Watch how fast things turn around after that. Proof of that is our new concealed carry law was written by a democrat.
 
#7 ·
Its the DEM's in San Francisco, Los Angeles, and San Diego against the rest of the state that is conservative. Those counties combined are more populous than the rest of the state so they win. With the tree huggers, the welfare community, and other on a handout the rest of us here in CA are on the loosing end.

The way it works is the micro-engraving is suppose to imprint the serial number of the gun onto the primer of the fired case. But there's lots of problems with this:

1) Most crime is done with stolen guns. Felons in CA can't buy guns from dealers. Most criminals are felons before their 21st birthday in my estimation. So the COP's get a dead end lead that they have to chase.

2) The engraving is microscopic and easily removed or made unreadable with grinding or polishing. Or the micro-engraved firing can just be replaced with one that is not engraved.

3) Criminals can go to the range and pickup loose micro-engraved cases at the range laying on the ground from many guns and dump them at the scene of the crime, giving COP's tons of blind leads to chase.

4) Apparently the whole concept is unproven and that is why manufactures will not do it. The process is imperfect and guess who will be blamed when the micro-engraving does not work properly?

This is just another way for the gun grabbers to limit guns in CA. Ammo is next and a bill to register all ammo purchases got passed but fortunately Moonbeam Jerry Brown (our liberal Governor) rejected it. How'd that happen? They also now register all long guns just like handguns. This will make it easier for the Government to one day, with the registration list in hand, to confiscate all the guns.

LDBennett
 
#10 ·
sound guy:

You know, some states require a fired cartridge from every new gun sold. This gives the state the microscopic imprint of the breech face and firing pin. CA has not used this method yet. Every handgun I have bought recently came with one or two fired cases. I suspect in some states the dealer has to submit one of the cases with the registration paperwork but not in CA. That way seems much better than the micro-engraving of the firing pin. Manufactures are not complain about providing the fired cases but are balking at the un-proven micro-engraving which they say is terrible flawed in the process of doing it to the firing pins and the its durability.

LDBennett
 
#11 ·
The Dem's don't care if it works or can even be done, if they can't outright ban them then they'll throw idiotic, ignorant laws like this up thinking that it'll STOP crime...of course, THEY will have some sort of exception for themselves, you can be sure of that.
 
#15 ·
raven818:

No, we don't want to do that. To make the law go away the COP's have to spend wasted time chasing dead ends from all the brass thrown out at crime scenes. They'll get irate with the CA Legislature and demand a change.

LDBennett
The 9th circuit is the most liberal court in the USA. And the court most overturned on appeal. The cops can complain til the cows come in, won't change anything there.
 
#18 ·
Looks like a good way for savy criminals to get away with murder. Put in a blank firing pin ,go do the crime, come home and reinstall the micro stamped pin. "Hey, it wasn't my gun that was done it!. The stamping doesn't match. You guys tryin' ta' frame me or something!" Good way to INCREASE crime instead of reducing it!:eek:
 
#19 · (Edited)
There will never be a shortage of firearms in California. There may be a shortage of legal guns, but the illegal guns will flow in like something thru a goose. They will simply be in the hands of the wrong people. They really don't even need micro stamping anyway, why on CSI I saw a coroner hand a bullet to one of the CSI investigators and he looked at it, handed it back and stated " that was fired from a S&W Model 10, two inch barrel that was manufactured in 1965, it was fired by a tall man who had a limp and a lisp, a tattoo of ' Mother " on his left buttocks and spoke broken English, he also was left handed and had a hang nail on his little finger ". Go figure.
 
#22 ·
This is the 1st step in outlawing all new guns in CA. If this isn't turned around the gun grabbers will rid CA in the next 10 years of all guns. It will make NJ look good for gun people
 
#23 ·
Because of the liberal progressive legislature and the liberal governor, Moonbeam Jerry Brown, the law will never get changed. The makeup of the state, liberal progressive Democrats vs Republicans, works to not only keep this law but many more anti-gun laws are in our future. Only legal action will get it changed (Second Amendment violations).

I feel smug for now as 25 years of collecting guns to shoot makes me not really want or need more guns. But they eventually may come after the ones I already have. Then again CA DOJ may run into the same problem Connecticut has with its Assault Weapons ban. Even under the threat of a felon charges it is estimated that about one in ten "Assault style" guns inside Connecticut, required to be registered, got registered. Now, that is civil disobedience!

LDBennett
 
#24 ·
The liberal mental state;

This law applies to semi autos but not revolvers.

Evidently, derringers, revolvers, etc. are endowed with some sort of innate intelligence that prevents them from being used in a crime.
 
#25 ·
The problem in the "Peoples Republic" is the normal law abiding US citizens have been outnumbered by the "Fruit loop foreigners" for about 20 years now. I'm a fourth generation Californian, and would have left 10 yrs ago if it wasn't for family ties. I have gotten to the point of not even voting anymore, as it is a total waste of time here.
There will never be a return to normalcy due to the influx of libtards to our state from everywhere else. I first noticed the change in 1969 when I returned from service overseas and it has gotten progressively worse every year since.
The legislature only has a few sane republicans from the rural heartland, the dems have been taken over by the socialists.
 
#26 ·
Just wait; a dumb-dem Assemblyman from LA wants to ban lead ammo too because it's killing the Condors..

Learn to shoot left handed, catch your rounds with your ball cap.
Eject your revolver shells into your pocket.
Load all your ammo with gloves on (no fingerprints).

Drive city hall nuts: take a hand full of range shells and toss it out on the front steps when no one's around. :D Again, make sure you have gloves on.
 
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