Not a Mosin, But Almost As Good... :D

Discussion in 'Curio & Relics Forum' started by Josh Smith, Oct 26, 2011.

  1. Josh Smith

    Josh Smith Member

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    Hello,

    I got it in my head a couple months back that I wanted a Mauser. I went to a few gunstores and they all wanted around $400 to $600 for one. Nope. All had bent bolt handles, too, and I wanted a straight one, being a lefty and all.

    So I saw this thing in my favorite gunstore. Said "Amberg 88" or some danged thing on it. It had been sitting there for the better part of the year.

    The gunstore owner said he wanted to see it gone, and he'd make me a deal. It had rust in the bore but looked OK overall.

    I called up a friend who knows some about these things, told me some of what to check for. I told the gunstore owner that I'd have to come back for it after doing some research as I didn't know if it would be a wall hanger or a shooter, though I do like a project.

    He told me that I know how he dislikes old milsurps. I know... too much research to find their value. He also knows how I like a project and to make an offer. I told him I didn't feel right doing so because I'd likely insult him.

    He said he was thinking 50 bucks.

    Not to pass up a deal, I came back with "How about 25?"

    "40."

    "30."

    "35."

    "Sold!" says I. $37.50 out the door.

    I got it home and pulled it apart. One dent, very little surface rust -- just one spot on what appeared to be a hood on the barrel. The barrel was pristine under that hood. I had been afraid maybe it was rusted through.

    Happily, it was not.

    I was pushing what looked like mud out of the barrel, and after liberal amounts of Fluid Film and bore brushes wrapped in steel wool, it started to shine.

    Not the best bore I've ever seen, but far from the worst. I've seen worse bores on Mosin-Nagants shoot well.

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    With shooting, the bore is cleaning up. It shines now and there are only a couple dark spots in it that look like rust.

    I'm still trying to decide for certain whether it's indeed redone for 0.323" bullets. It does have the "S" mark which means the chamber and leade were redone but the barrel was left as-was. Supposedly it can take either ammo, and I'm getting a little over an inch at 50 yards and 0.318" bullets.

    It's showing low pressure signs, though, and the neck is blowing way up when I fire. I'm overworking my shells' necks. This coming week I'll try some 0.323" bullets lightly loaded in it -- they are on order. (As I'm given to understand, gas erosion was a problem with the 0.318" bullets and the 0.323" bullets were made to seal better. Dangerous to shoot in unmodified, non-"S" chambers).

    This rifle originally saw action in a Bavarian reserve regiment before being shipped to Turkey for WWI (and you know it had 0.323" ammo shot through it there!).

    This is, in my opinion, almost the perfect rifle. The sights are precise and the barrel (mine is reenforced) is floated for all intents and purposes by using that sleeve.

    I would really only change the bolt. The lugs are a bit weak, and really should have a third. It's already been modified to 88/05 standards.

    It kicks hard, in prone. I'm not willing to put a recoil pad on it, though, as length-of-pull is perfect for me. Might end up investing in a P.A.S.T. pad as I have a bruised collarbone after five shots prone with 200grn bullets. I'm not a recoil wuss and do this regularly with the Mosin-Nagant, but this rifle is a bit lighter!

    The tall Mauser sight blank from Brownell's worked perfectly, and now it shoots POA.

    So, you-all reckon I made out OK for $37.50? :eek: :D

    Regards,

    Josh

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  2. Chinook

    Chinook New Member

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    Yeah... I think you made out a little bit a head...Geez, Ida given the guy an offer of 75-100 bux, thinkin that was a bit low!!!:eek: Glad I get to learn a buncha great info here, all the time!
  3. jack404

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    i think you did well , that one particularly

    also known as a Commision rifle this one has ottoman markings

    but i dont see the "turked mark" a mark that shows this rifle was rebarreled as most later where..

    these where common with the troop's who fought the Aussies at Gallipoli

    i have a few , all very good shooters and they take mil rifle shoots here still at 600 meters

    cheapest ottoman marked one i seen was $300 and a while ago
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  4. Popgunner

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    My uncle was killed by one of these at Gallipoli. He was from Wellington, NZ.
    His dad/my grandfather had his front teeth knocked out by a German using the butt of one of these.
  5. jack404

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    PG, i had family there too , some made it out of Gallipoli , some didn't , some made it to the Somme and Villers-Breteneu , some made it back , some did not.

    i take comfort in the fact they helped end a great evil , and would be happy in that knowledge ...

    cheers to you eh , if you are ever after info on him let me know .. i have archive access most folks dont
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    Very nice Jack. What info is needed? Name, dates, places? My mother would really like to hear anything about this. The info we have is that a group was pinned down in a foxhole & my uncle tried to see what was happening & suffered a head shot.
  7. warriflefan

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    Do you have to trim much off of the brownells mauser sight blanks? Ive got an argentine mauser that shoots pretty high (about 14 inches at 100 yards)
  8. Josh Smith

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    Hello,

    I did fit it with a file, but it took about an hour to dial it in.

    This is why I prefer the Mosin sights -- they're easy to modify to be adjustable.

    I'd recommend sighting the Mauser sight to 1.5 inches high with a 2500fps to 2800fps 150grn spitzer load. Assume an additional hour before that to fit it to the dovetail.

    Regards,

    Josh
  9. Brisk44

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    Heck of a deal. It looks in really good shape especially for it's age.
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