Not a Single Christian Church Left in Afghanistan

Discussion in 'The Fire For Effect and Totally Politically Incorr' started by Marlin T, Oct 11, 2011.

  1. Marlin T

    Marlin T Well-Known Member

    Jul 8, 2005
    New Mexico
    Not a Single Christian Church Left in Afghanistan, Says State Department (freedom... gone) ^ | October 10, 2011 | Edwin Mora
    Posted on Tuesday, October 11, 2011 6:58:26 AM by Mrs. Don-o

    There is not a single, public Christian church left in Afghanistan, according to the U.S. State Department.

    This reflects the state of religious freedom in that country ten years after the United States first invaded it and overthrew its Islamist Taliban regime.

    In the intervening decade, U.S. taxpayers have spent $440 billion to support Afghanistan's new government and more than 1,700 U.S. military personnel have died serving in that country.

    The last public Christian church in Afghanistan was razed in March 2010, according to the Statet Department's latest International Religious Freedom Report. The report, which was released last month and covers the period of July 1, 2010 through December 31, 2010, also states that “there were no Christian schools in the country.”

    “There is no longer a public Christian church; the courts have not upheld the church's claim to its 99-year lease, and the landowner destroyed the building in March [2010],” reads the State Department report on religious freedom. “[Private] chapels and churches for the international community of various faiths are located on several military bases, PRTs [Provincial Reconstruction Teams], and at the Italian embassy. Some citizens who converted to Christianity as refugees have returned.”

    In recent times, freedom of religion has declined in Afghanistan, according to the State Department.

    “The government’s level of respect for religious freedom in law and in practice declined during the reporting period, particularly for Christian groups and individuals,” reads the State Department report.

    “Negative societal opinions and suspicion of Christian activities led to targeting of Christian groups and individuals, including Muslim converts to Christianity," said the report. "The lack of government responsiveness and protection for these groups and individuals contributed to the deterioration of religious freedom.”

    Most Christians in the country refuse to “state their beliefs or gather openly to worship,” said the State Department.

    More than 1,700 U.S. military personnel have died serving in the decade-old Afghanistan war, according to’s database of all U.S. casualties in Afghanistan. A September audit released jointly by the Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction and the State Department’s Office of Inspector General, found that the U.S. government will spend at least $1.7 billion to support the civilian effort from 2009-2011.

    Afghanistan. (Map: CIA World Factbook) According to that report, the $1.7 billion excludes additional security costs, which the report says the State Department priced at about $491 million.

    A March 2011 report by the Congressional Research Service showed that overall the United States has spent more than $440 billion in the Afghanistan war. Christian aid from the international community has also gone to aid the Afghan government.

    Nevertheless, according to the State Department, the lack of non-Muslim religious centers in Afghanistan can be blamed in part on a “strapped government budget,” which is primarily fueled by the U.S. aid.

    “There were no explicit restrictions for religious minority groups to establish places of worship and training of clergy to serve their communities,” says the report, “however, very few public places of worship exist for minorities due to a strapped government budget.”

    The report acknowledged that Afghanistan’s post-Taliban constitution, which was ratified with the help of U.S. mediation in 2004, can be contradictory when it comes to the free exercise of religion.

    While the new constitution states that Islam is the “religion of the state” and that “no law can be contrary to the beliefs and provisions of the sacred religion of Islam,” it also proclaims that “followers of other religions are free to exercise their faith and perform their religious rites within the limits of the provisions of the law.”

    However, “the right to change one’s religion was not respected either in law or in practice,” according to the State Department.

    “Muslims who converted away from Islam risked losing their marriages, rejection from their families and villages, and loss of jobs,” according to the report. “Legal aid for imprisoned converts away from Islam remains difficult due to the personal objection of Afghan lawyers to defend apostates.”

    In this image made available from the Afghanistan Presidential Palace, Afghan President Hamid Karzai, center, shakes hand with new U.S. ambassador to Afghanistan Ryan Crocker at the Presidential Palace in Kabul, Afghanistan on Monday, July 25, 2011. (AP Photo/Presidential Palace) The report does note that “in recent years neither the national nor local authorities have imposed criminal penalties on coverts from Islam.” The report says that “conversion from Islam is considered apostasy and is punishable by death under some interpretations of Islamic rule in the country.”

    Also, in recent years, the death punishment for blasphemy “has not been carried out,” according to the State Department.

    According to the State Department report, the United States continues to promote religious freedom in Afghanistan--even though the country no longer has even one Christian church.

    “The U.S. government regularly discusses religious freedom with government officials as part of its overall policy to promote human rights,” according to the report.

    According to the State Department report, more than 99 percent of the population, estimated between 24 and 33 million people, is either Sunni (80 percent) or Shia (19 percent) Muslim. Non-Muslim religious groups, including the estimated 500 to 8,000 strong Christian community in the country, make up less than 1 percent of the population. Other non-Muslim groups in the country are Sikhs, Bahais, and Hindus.
  2. jack404

    jack404 Former Guest

    Jan 11, 2010
    time to pull out and send in the nukes

  3. coreyacp

    coreyacp New Member

    Its there country. If they do not want to have religious freedom then they actually have the right to choose. You understand what I am trying to say? The have the freedom to choose. And they have choose to not have it. Not a big deal anyway since christians make up less that 1 percent of 1 percent of the entire country.
  4. coreyacp

    coreyacp New Member

    If you look at this list of where its illegal to be an atheist or convert to another religion than you will see that some of these countries are in fact our allies

    * Iran – illegal (death penalty)
    * Egypt – illegal (death penalty)
    * Pakistan – illegal (death penalty since 2007)
    * United Arab Emirates – illegal (death penalty)
    * Somalia – illegal (death penalty)
    * Afghanistan – illegal (death penalty, although the U.S. and other coalition members have put pressure that has prevented recent executions
    * Saudi Arabia – illegal (death penalty, although there have been no recently reported executions)
    * Sudan – illegal (death penalty, although there have only been recent reports of torture, and not of execution
    * Qatar – illegal (death penalty)
    * Yemen – illegal (death penalty) [
    * Malaysia – illegal in five of 13 states (fine, imprisonment, and flogging)
    * Mauritania – illegal (death penalty)[
    * Nigeria – illegal in twelve of 37 states (death penalty)
    * Syria – possibly illegal (death penalty) although there is evidence to the contrary

    But there are countries where it is different:
    Conversion is not only legal but in many cased a protected right.

    * Canada – legal (protected under Section Two of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms)
    * Netherlands – legal (protected under Article Six of the Constitution of the Kingdom of the Netherlands)
    * United States – legal (per the First Amendment to the United States Constitution)
    * India – legal. The Constitution of India allows freedom of religion. In some provinces, including Gujarat and Tamil Nadu, there are laws forbidding forced conversions and in response to the methods used by some sects and religions for mass conversion, and the social tensions caused by conversion under these circumstances.
    * Philippines – legal (protected under Article III, Section 5 of the Philippine Constitution)
    * Brazil – legal
    * Indonesia – legal (protected by the Constitution (UUD 1945, KUHP, Garuda Pancasila) [22]
  5. rcairflr

    rcairflr Well-Known Member

    Jul 2, 2011
    Wichita, Ks
    It was time to get out years ago.
  6. Marlin T

    Marlin T Well-Known Member

    Jul 8, 2005
    New Mexico
    Your right Corey it is there choice to make. There choice is to make the "Religion of Peace" a reality by killing off all others. This IS NOT unique wherever islam is.

    I don't see anything wrong with that either. :rolleyes:

    So the spread of islam in USA is fine with you then?
    So the destruction of Israel is ok too?

    Didn't you just join the military?
  7. coreyacp

    coreyacp New Member

    ok when I joined the military religion was not involved. I dont care if someone practices Islam or Christianity. I dont want Israel destroyed because we would lose a stable ally, but I have alot of problems with alot of what they do. but how does me joinging the military have anything to do with ethier of those. I am not defending people from ISLAM haha I am serving my country not christianity.
  8. jack404

    jack404 Former Guest

    Jan 11, 2010
    and there it is ....
  9. jack404

    jack404 Former Guest

    Jan 11, 2010
    Ephesians 6:12

    now how did that tune go ???

    mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord ?

    your fighting for your Christian nation ( it dont matter to them what you think its what they say remember that)

    and for that you are to be dealt with , that alone makes you a enemy of islam

    this is a battle of ideology my friend,

    they want all of us dead or as slaves

    a little bit of islam ( or socialism )
    is like a little bit of antimony or cancer

    a bit more and a bit more wont kill you but keep on going and your as dead as any Dodo bird

    or like friends of mine would say deader than a Christian in arche indonesia ( not one Christian left there now)
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  10. coreyacp

    coreyacp New Member

    Well I'm not defending christinaity. I'm completely against religion on a whole. Personal faith is one thing but organized religion is mind blowing to me. You have Islamic killing christians for being Christians and you have Christians killing Islamics for being Islamics. Both religions with there leaders are so hypocritical. I fight for the guys still over there. I fight because my government told me to go. Not because the government was Christians or fighting Islam (which is ridiculous) but because I was told to go an if that makes my guys cone home sooner an safer then I did my job. Jack do not tell me why I serve. I know why I serve and I know who I am serving for. And it's not for Christians it's not for Jews or Muslims. It's for my friends. My family. And above all my brothers in uniform.
  11. jack404

    jack404 Former Guest

    Jan 11, 2010
    um where are Christians arbitrarily killing muslims because of their faith Corey ?

    when has that happened ? i mean ever ...

    and i aint telling you why you serve i'm telling you what the government advisory says why you serve , because the US is a puppet of the zionists and must be wiped out as all those who fight against islam must be wiped out ( Sulia Hakardi CAIR August 21st 2010 at the whitehouse prayer meeting ( islamic prayer meeting) )
    Last edited: Oct 11, 2011
  12. Caneman

    Caneman Active Member

    Oct 22, 2010
    i agree, God gives us free will to choose Him or not, but He also holds us accountable for our decisions...
  13. cycloneman

    cycloneman Well-Known Member

    Dec 16, 2008
    Corey. Hay man I do admire you. Glad your doing what your doing.

    Look I am gona say somthing here and leave it. If you want to talk further about this I will do it with you on the religious forum.

    First off - it's not mind blowing.

    When I was young I hated the thought of religion and could not understand why people just could not accept that they didn't know for sure what to believe and what to follow so why not just follow nothing. I was happy with that for many years.

    Every time a religious subject came up i was out the door.
    Hay man let me tell you I am no freak who goes around preaching in the open. I dont hold up signs and tell the world it is coming to an end.

    One day I came to realize (dont remember exactly what happened) that you are serving a force in your life. I noticed it by watching day to day things. I also realized that the world with Jesus as a savior is far more better off then the world without Jesus.

    OK dont loose me, hang on. You dont know this but you are serving someone every day your alive doing your deeds. No way around it. There is no such thing as sitting it out. That is a choice you can't make it is not offered to you. So believe it or not you are on one side of the fence. Now I will tell you this. Once you become knowledged in where we all come from and i mean from the first days you will see that the fighting going on today is the same fight that has been going on for thousands of years.

    I am gona leave you with this. Wouldn't you like to know what your figthting for? And i am not talking about your buddies in the field. I am talking about the day to day fight you are in, and molding who you will eventually be.

    Corey please dont let this thread get locked or deleted. I am not trying to force anything on you. I will not say another word about this unless you invite it.

    No worries OK.
    Last edited: Oct 11, 2011
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