NRA works in mysterious ways

Discussion in 'The Constitutional & RKBA Forum' started by RedHawk, Jun 27, 2011.

  1. RedHawk

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    yep the NRA isnt concerned because garbage like this will never happen , theres no way in the world that a gun shop owner would have the time or even knowledge of people coming into his shop , its funny . The same flyers go out to Wal-Mart ,Target , Safeway ,Bestbuy and everyone else. I suppose the ACLU should get involved as well , but even they dont take this serious because it will never happen . Also instead of taking my word for it, look up Rand Paul's bill and seek the provisions laid out , he had to compromise on several factors of the bill , compromises that negate the bill entirely!

    By the way Im not against the SAF either , but even a 5th grader can tell the difference between the NRA and the SAF , generally speaking if the SAF is against the NRA , going it alone , well I would cheer a victory for them as well, because there wont be many and the causes they fight will be swallowed , I suppose you think the SAF isnt out to make money , hell there a non-profit organization , I hate to break it to you guys but if a non-profit org doesnt make any money , it doesnt exist! Who's gonna pay the expenses? Who pays for the magazines, newsletters ,websites? who pays the lobbyists , oh dont tell me the saf doesnt employ lobbyist (pipe dream if think they dont) ! Money , yep the SAF is no different than the NRA , it costs money to have all these services , I dont agree with everything that they do , but like any other company in this country , you have a right even as a non member to see the disclosures of the NRA , IN OTHER WORDS IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHERE THE MONEY GOES , ITS ALL OUT THERE ! Im sure the SAF has an open door as well , wouldnt want the anti's or democrats to think your hiding something would you?

    It takes money to make money , very true , look at all the expense the NRA AFFORDS ITS MEMBERS , the insurance alone accounts for alot of it , but heres a great example of Washington politics , the NRA sends in 25 lobbyists , the SAF sends in one (if there lucky and he already paid graft to the politician he's swooning) , shear numbers will get a 1/3 of the NRA in the door ! You want to fight the battles in Washington you have to be prepared and you have to have money!!! You have to have Power!! and you have to have a war chest full of people! Which organization has that?
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  2. carver

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    As a Christian, I have witnessed to many people, and one thing I have learned is that once a person has made up their mind on a position, it's a real hard, up hill, task to get them to change their minds. So I won't try to change anyones opinion on this topic, but would like to add why I think the way I do. Read this statement from the NRA (some of you will, some of you won't).

    "As often happens with complex issues, NRA's position on Sen. Rand Paul's defeated PATRIOT Act amendment is being mis-reported by those who either don't understand the facts, or prefer their own version of "facts."

    This amendment was rejected by 85 Senators, which included many of the strongest Second Amendment supporters in the U.S. Senate. Unfortunately, Senator Paul chose not to approach us on this issue before moving ahead. His amendment, which only received 10 votes, was poorly drafted and could have resulted in more problems for gun owners than it attempted to fix. For this reason, the NRA did not take a position on the amendment".

    Read the rest of the article here: http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?ID=6879
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  3. RedHawk

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    +1 for Carver !!! Thats exactly what I mean when I say you have to know the "whole story" !! when you read the newspaper or Drudge , they paste in LARGE PRINT ATTENTION GETTERS (it works) ,most people just read that , it inflames them to no end , but never read the whole argument or worse just let someone elses comment end the argument , read others opinions as well , find out the whole truth , thank god our justice system (ok,ok) lets us see the facts before we send someone to the gallows!
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  4. Bobitis

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    Let me get this straight...

    According to RedHawk, "Those of you who are against the NRA , might as well turn in your guns to the anti's now , we really dont need "wishy washys" on our side".

    Really? Turn in my firearms cuz I don't support the NRA and question their tactics?

    "Feel free to put a tooth under your pillow at night and believe the tooth fairy will make your dreams come true, it doesnt happen!
    The NRA in its easiest interpretation is a UNION for all gun owners , think about it , ther is no other UNION of gun owners as strong as the NRA, none! But if you dont want to give your money to them thats fine , but quit denigrating the NRA , those of us who believe know better , even those who dont believe like some of you in here (know better)"!

    I don't believe in the tooth fairy, and don't get me started on UNIONS. I actually do know better.

    Redwing carson states:

    " Geo. Sorroes gives 1 million a year to kill the NRA. Those of you who
    attack the NRA are not unique, your kind has always been there. :rolleyes:"

    With all due respect sir, that is an insult of epic proportions.:mad:

    And finally from RedHawk:

    "It takes money to make money , very true , look at all the expense the NRA AFFORDS ITS MEMBERS , the insurance alone accounts for alot of it , but heres a great example of Washington politics , the NRA sends in 25 lobbyists , the SAF sends in one (if there lucky and he already paid graft to the politician he's swooning) , shear numbers will get a 1/3 of the NRA in the door ! You want to fight the battles in Washington you have to be prepared and you have to have money!!! You have to have Power!! and you have to have a war chest full of people! Which organization has that"

    Insurance is all about making money. Why wouldn't they offer it?
    The NRA may well send 25 'lobbyists' to DC. What are they lobbying for? The members or there own agenda?

    The bottom line for me is, the NRA simply doesn't represent me and my interpretation of the 2nd amendment. I won't support 'politics as usual', nor any UNION that has a greater agenda when it comes to my rights.

    Looks like I'm Wishy washy and should give up my rights. It appears that I'm a George Soros wannabe.

    Why? Because I disagree with the NRA.

    Gotcha.

    May the mods feel free to ban me at this time, cuz I just can't seem to fit in.
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  5. redwing carson

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    The NRA is the only one who will provide affordable insurance for Instrs. and shooting ranges. If it is so profitable why is GOA and all the others not protecting Instrs and shooting ranges? The NRA is the only one providing Inst and shooting programs. Where is all that noney going? All you have to do is look the NRA will show you every dime spent. Rand Paul pro Gay pro Dope and phoney bills that 85 pro gun politicans voted aganist. By the way only recieved 10 votes.:eek: The negative NRA attacks are not unique they have been around for over 130 years. But we keep growing and iritating the left wingers.:D
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  6. redwing carson

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    Good grief, what has the John Birch Society every done for gun owners?? Please show me where they have ever lobbied or proposed one pro gun bill. Please show me where they are working for gun owners.:rolleyes: They take in piles of money where and how much goes to fight gun control? :rolleyes:
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    I'm not left wing... as I think they will readily agree and endorse... however, I dont like that they seem to pick and choose their battles and orphan states like CA.

    What happens in CA eventually infects the rest of the country. If they spent more time and money here, maybe they wouldnt have to spend so much time and money elsewhere?

    You want to get me to buy a lifetime NRA membership? make Castle Doctrine a reality in CA! That's worth the price and annual donations in my opinion.
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    What you want the NRA to come to California and change the most left wing state in the nation??? The voters in that state need to stop electing left wingers. The voters in California are the cause of your problems not the NRA.:eek:
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    I know, I'm not disputing that. But I think that when legal challenges arent made, that could be won, it would stop further encroachment.

    Yeah... CA is F*ed up!!!! I see it every day. I like my job, I like the weather *never another AZ summer, kthx!* and I hope this state can start turning the tide back.

    In order to that conservatives (and groups) need to not abandon but attack CA.

    They have to remind CA and it's residents that the cost of illegal immigration and the social programs is more than the deficit of paying for those programs for LEGAL citizens.

    They have to remind CA and it's residents that math matters, you cant pass laws because it feels good, or someone might be hurt...

    This state (and our nation) need massive overhaul reform... and it's not going to happen unless we kick out Usama and everyone like him.


    my guess on that happening here in CA is like... 10% for Osama bin Barrack I'll call it 50/50 right now
  10. ofitg

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    I think it's important to remember the "old" NRA, prior to 1990 - they had an unbroken record of compromising, even actually writing the anti-Second Amendment bills which Congress passed.

    By 1990, many NRA members had had enough. Over a two-year period, 25% of NRA members left the organization. In 1991, Warren Cassidy resigned as NRA Executive Vice-President, and Wayne LaPierre took over.

    That seemed to be a turning point for the NRA. In 1994 the NRA presented some honest opposition to the AW Ban, and succeeded in including the 10-year "lifespan" for the law.... which is why the AW Ban is no longer the law of the land.

    Does this mean the NRA is now totally trustworthy? Hell no! What it means is that NRA members should watch NRA HQ like a bunch of hawks, and dive down for the kill when/if the NRA Board of Directors get wishy-washy with the Second Amendment again.
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    Now you are implying that liberals will listen to reason and turn from their wicked ways? Ha, never in a ka-trillion-ta-billion-lathousands of years. No, aint gonna happen. The only cure for communistfornia is saw it away from the land and set it afloat. Bye bye hollywierd and all the leftist lunatics. If your not one of them, leave before the ship sails.
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    @Bobitis dont go on my account and I too know all to well about UNIONS , I was using that as a metaphor , not a reality , at any rate your free to believe in God or not , free to enjoy the bill of rights (while they are here) , free to enjoy the constitution , but I would urge you to climb aboard and join the NRA for there is no other organization who will hear your voice , theres nothing wrong with disagreement , hell at least your voicing your opinions in here , why not step up a notch and join the fight , if you think just sitting there disagreeing with OBOMBA is enough your dreaming , obviously this post was in disagreement with you and you voiced your opinion here! Thats all Im saying , thanks for commenting ~
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    Obama said it all ..."WE won and we're going to do whatever we want to do." On Oreily program, before he was elected, Obama stated, "I feel that the Constitution often keeps us from doing the things we think should be done".
    Last time I looked, that's what the Constitution is supposed to do. So he was elected and now his administration ignores the laws. Remember the Black Panthers at the Philadelphia polling places? They ignore the laws, because they can!!!!!
    People seem to be stupid, because they don't listen....
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    There are a dozen Pro Second Amendment Organizations out there,
    GOA 300,000 members, NRA has nearly four million members, JPFO not a lot here, Second Amendment Foundation, USCCA (United States Concealed Carry Association), LEAA (Law Enforcement Alliance of America). and RTKBA (Right To Keep And Bear Arms). Join one, or two, but join! Some of these are special interest groups, but welcome members that are not Jews, or LEO's. Give your support where you want to, but be sure that your support is needed.
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    What were the anti 2nd bills?? Hundreds of NRA trained Inst. thru out this nation every day aid shooting sports. The CCW programs would never get off the ground if it were not for all the NRA Instrs. The GOA and others provide no money or support for these programs. If the NRA did not insure shooting ranges and Inst. most public shooting programs would shut down. The GOA takes in tons of pro gun money. When will they give to actual shooting sports programs?? The Anti NRA fault finders are never on the ground when we fight our battles in courts or march on Washington. The Anti-NRA people are not unique they have been around a verey long time. But we are 4 million strong and growing.:D
  16. Hatch

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    well, this is all part of the problem right?

    Yeah, I'm asking people to attack the BASE, the very Al Qaeda of Liberal socialism, a.k.a. Berzerkly CA. If we don't do it now, later will be too late.

    Four million sounds like a lot. There's formulas that people use to determine if infringing or encroaching on another persons rights will result in X action. And that's all about the base number of people who do the action and/or sympathize with it. Absolutely, by far and above, NRA says "bring someone shooting" and pass it down to new generations.

    the problem is, 4M out of 300M is a very small base to try and hold onto protected rights.

    Get it while the getting is good (buy what you need and be ready to use it), and take your sons, daughters, nephews and nieces and cousins shooting. And do it often!

    Take them camping, fishing, hunting, etc etc etc...

    The NRA is absolutely 100% right about that. Grow the BASE!
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