Oath Keeper? You can't be trusted.

Discussion in 'The Constitutional & RKBA Forum' started by armedandsafe, Oct 9, 2010.

  1. armedandsafe

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    If you declare publicly that you intend to be honest, keep your word and uphold the law, you can't be trusted to raise children.

    Pops
  2. NRA_guy

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    There has got to be more to the story.

    But where is the ACLU with their army of lawyers?
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    So they can snatch your kid because of your political beliefs?

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    so if your a member of the known terror organisation the Muslim brother hood you can have 7 kids to 3 different wives and all of it on welfare ( Tarik aziz al hussein of California)

    but join a patriotic group and they can steal your kids??

    fish dont stink this bad at high noon a week after they where dumped...

    ACLU ? parh! ( imagine a dummy being spit across the room)

    they love this stuff as it prop's their liberal ideas up while letting them enjoy patriotic folks suffer , and the ACLU love's that
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    This is a complete OUTRAGE doesn't even come close enough to describe this event.

    I better stop typing before I get myself banned.
  6. johnlives4christ

    johnlives4christ Former Guest

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    there would a lot of dead people if they stood between me and my kids.
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    Lots of angry thoughts through my head right now.

    And prayers for this family. To have a child kidnapped by the police and court systems is unbelievable. I hope a good judge puts someone at Child Protective Services behind bars for this one.
  8. Eddie N

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    Under the jail would be a better place.:mad::mad::mad:
  9. ampaterry

    ampaterry *TFF Admin Staff Chaplain* Staff Member Supporting Member

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    There were a long list of reasons for doing this; being a member of the Oath Keepers "militia" was only one of them. But even listing it as one of MANY reasons is wrong and should be punished. How long would this affadivid last if it had listed one of the reasons as "being black", as "being Muslim", or "associated with Socialists". The leftist press would be ALL OVER this, and not leave it to WND to be the exclusive reporter of the story.
  10. JoeV

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    One thing I have learned about the Internet, is to take everything I read with a grain of salt. WND is notorious for taking things out of context in order to raise the hackles of people who are already pissed off at the gubmit. They thrive and exist on this type of journalism, which is not really journalism at all...it is activism.

    This guy that everyone is ready to defend, already has a lengthy record of documented domestic violence, and has failed to complete a court ordered domestic violence class. Here's what WND left out of their article...

    The rest of the article at the Source

    I'm sure there are a few more skeletons in his closet that WND didn't choose to include in their article, and instead focused on the Oath Keepers portion so you could get all pissed at the gubmit, and ignore this guy's other issues. Actually, I'm not real certain that Oath Keepers would want a member that can't control his behavior because of emotional problems or chemical imbalances in his body. That makes his a ticking time bomb, and very possibly could impair his judgment when clear thinking is required to evaluate a situation.

    I dislike the way our freedoms are being trampled, and do not support the current administration, but I caution you to get all the details on a story before committing your support to someone who you probably would not leave alone with your wife or kids. The left is always trying to get conservatives to act in a way that discredits them, and getting flared up over a misleading WND article is just the kind of tricks they use. I would not be surprised to learn that WND is owned and controlled by liberal democrats, and exists to get misinformation online to make well meaning conservatives look foolish once the truth is learned. Always look for several different sources reporting the same story, and look for "completeness" among them to insure accuracy. Even then, be skeptical.
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    Using two sources for this story, some questions still exist. First why would charges of abuse from a sitter, as reported by littlebytesnews.blogspot.com, qulify the mother for abuse herself? Both articles state that Johnathon Irish was supposed to complete a state course on "Ending the Vilonce", which he has not done to this date. It would appear that the News Media were the ones that ran with the story so hard because a part of the charge was that he was a member of a militia. There is more going on here than is being reported.

    http://www.unionleader.com/article....rticleId=3cd6180a-5ce6-4f58-9483-ef5ae2329cbc
    A baby girl was taken into state custody at Concord Hospital by child welfare officials on Thursday, just hours after she was born, according to her parents. And now the parents are at the center of an Internet-fueled fire storm over government intervention and parental rights.
    In court paperwork, the state alleges the health and safety of the infant, named Cheyenne, was in "imminent danger" if she was left with her parents because of "a lengthy history of domestic violence" between them.

    http://littlebytesnews.blogspot.com/

    , it appears the parents have had domestic abuse issues in the past. Apparently the mother is in the process of or has lost custody of two previous children due to multiple abuse/domestic abuse issues in the past by an unnamed 'caretaker', according to DCYF records. Now they have removed the newborn because the father of the child hasn't completed a required court ordered course on "Ending the Violence" per DCYF. The parents haven't made any statements on the past abuse issues and the removal of the other children, along with the father missing the required course...so there may be more to this than what we know. However, does a past history of abuse and affiliation with a 'militia', according to DCYF give the state legal authority to remove the newborn baby from the couple? Now they have removed the newborn because the father of the child hasn't completed a required court ordered course on "Ending the Violence" per DCYF. The parents haven't made any statements on the past abuse issues and the removal of the other children, along with the father missing the required course...so there may be more to this than what we know.
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    You got it right JoeV. The mother is now saying that Johnathon has never touched her other than to give her a hug. I smell some lies here, and will wait till more news is out on this one. I am a member of Oath Keepers myself, and like you said, I might not want this turkey around me, or my family, if I knew the truth about him.
  13. armedandsafe

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    The point of the matter, in my mind, is including membership in OathKeepers as being a reason for removal of the child. That is what OathKeepers is going to fight, not the decision to remove the child.

    Then again, after more information on previous activity by the couple and child services is gathered, it appears that this was arbitrary or capricious, then the couple might be supported by OK (and others.)

    If one can have children removed from the home for belonging to an organization which calls for honoring one's oath to the Constitution and Country, where does that leave us, being members of THIS group?

    Pops
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    it leaves some of us saying it'll never happen to them, and others, like myself, trying to be prepared
  15. wpage

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    Membership in orgs that require special pledges and oaths should be scrutinized. Its one thing to join the Night of Columbus or VFW...
    Other groups can be misconstrued and are often on the fringes.
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