Obama bans < 100,000 rifles

Discussion in 'The Constitutional & RKBA Forum' started by Marlin T, Aug 20, 2010.

  1. Marlin T

    Marlin T Well-Known Member

    Jul 8, 2005
    New Mexico
    Why is Obama administration blocking import of surplus rifles?

    • August 17th, 2010 9:48 am

    "The U.S. government opposed South Korea’s bid to sell hundreds of thousands of aging U.S. combat rifles to American gun collectors," Jung Sung-ki of The Korea Times reports.

    "The ministry announced the plan last September as part of efforts to boost its defense budget, saying the export of the M1 Garand and carbine rifles would start by the end of 2009."

    So why didn't they?
    "The U.S. administration put the brakes on the plan, citing “problems” that could be caused by the importation of the rifles."
    Problems? What problems?
    "The problems the U.S. government cited were somewhat ambiguous, said an official at the Ministry of National Defense on condition of anonymity."
    Oh, in other words, made up problems. The administration came up with baseless excuses about aging rifles that "could cause problems such as firearm accidents."
    And they said that bad guys might get a hold of them!
    The truth could not be simpler: Older rifles can be safely maintained and sold. Just ask the Civilian Marksmanship Program. I got my M1 Garand back when the Director of Civilian Marksmanship program was controlled by the Department of the Army and it remains a favorite gun.
    And the bad guy excuse could be used to object to the sale of all guns everywhere. Meanwhile, they're denying an opportunity to good guys--you know, the ones the Founders deemed "necessary to the security of a free State"...
    This is ridiculous, offensive and subversive.
    It's also more proof of the anti-gun agenda the Obama administration has been forced by political realities to keep under wraps during his first term. The antis would have us believe the lie that he has expanded gun rights--the basic talking point they push is that he signed a law allowing for guns to be carried in National Parks.
    What happened there was he was unwilling to derail a credit card bill where that provision was slipped in. Why was it done that way?
    Because a Clinton-appointed federal judge sabotaged a Bush administration ruling providing for guns in parks under the transparent that recognizing unalienable rights requires an extended bureaucratic environmental impact study. And Obama, who played his part in the charade and did not direct an appeal, would have been perfectly happy to wait that out had his hand not been forced.
    Add to this all those anti-gun nominations: Eric Holder, Sonia Sotomayor, Elena Kagan...
    He may have erased his anti-gun wishlist from the White House website (an old tactic perfected by his ideological forebears), but his hostility to our right to keep and bear arms remains. He just doesn't dare show his hand. Yet.
    It's up to us to keep it that way.
    Let's push back. I have no idea what the best way to reverse this latest import ban decision would be, but I'm going to do some investigating. If anyone has any ideas on how to apply pressure, please share it.
    Hopefully, this will not be the last word.


    Obama Bans More than 100,000 American-Made Rifles

    Opinion by The Volokh Conspiracy
    (1 Day Ago) in Society / Guns
    By David Kopel
    According to The Korea Times, the Obama administration has blocked efforts by the South Korean government to sell over a hundred thousand surplus M1 Garand and Carbine rifles into the United States market. These self-loading were rifles introduced in 1926 and 1941.
    As rifles, they are especially well-suited to community defense in an emergency, as in the cases of community defense following Hurricane Katrina in 2005 and Hurricane Andrew in 1992. Along with AR-15 type rifles, the M1 rifles are the quintessential firearms of responsible citizenship, precisely the type of firearms which civic responsibility organizations such as the Appleseed Project teach people how to use.
    According to a South Korean official, “The U.S. insisted that imports of the aging rifles could cause problems such as firearm accidents. It was also worried the weapons could be smuggled to terrorists, gangs or other people with bad intentions.”
    Regarding the second objection, any firearm lawfully imported into the United States would eventually be sold by a Federal Firearm Licensee who, pursuant to the background check system imposed by Congress (and endorsed by the NRA) would have to contact federal or state law enforcement to verify that the gun buyer is not prohibited from possessing firearms.
    Accordingly, the risk that the South Korean surplus guns might fall into the hands of gangsters or other bad people is exactly the same as with the sale of any other retail firearm in the United States. Notably, neither the M1 Garand nor the M1 carbine are concealable, and the M1 Garand is long, heavy, and bulky. Accordingly, the criminal utility of such guns is relatively low.
    The second Obama administration objection is accidents. But in fact, increasing gun density in the United States has been associated with steeply declining rates of gun accidents. In 1948 there were .36 guns per person. (That is, about one gun for every three Americans.) By 2004, there was nearly one gun for every American. In 1948, there were 1.6 fatal gun accidents per 100,000 persons. By 2004, the rate had fallen by 86%, so that there were .22 fatal accidents per 100,000 persons. (For underlying data, see Appendix B of my amicus brief in Heller.)
    Legally, it is indisputable that the guns are importable. Being over 50 years old, the rifles are automatically “Curios and Relics” according to federal law. 27 CFR section 478.11. Accordingly, they are by statutory definition importable. 18 USC section 925 (e)(1). Notwithstanding the law, the Obama administration has the ability to pressure the South Korean government to block the sale of the guns.
    President Obama was elected on the promise that he supported individual Second Amendment rights. His administration’s thwarting of the import of these American-made rifles is not consistent with that promise.
  2. cycloneman

    cycloneman Well-Known Member

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  3. jack404

    jack404 Former Guest

    Jan 11, 2010
    i dunno about if it;s that far yet Cycloneman , but i definitely think its time to lube yourselves up , or stand up to whats going on

    your gonna end up like us .. and that you dont want trust that!
  4. doug66

    doug66 Member

    Jan 29, 2005
    More people will choke and croak on the kool-aid than in any M1 & carbine accidents.
  5. Helix_FR

    Helix_FR Active Member

    Apr 14, 2009
    Imperial, MO
    Sorry folks, I don't see too many drive by shootings involving M1's. Not exactly the easiest to swing out a open car window at 20mph.
  6. hogger129

    hogger129 Well-Known Member

    Nov 29, 2009
    I don't see how these guns would have made it onto the streets...

    I always pictured Obama as indifferent towards gun rights - I mean at least as President. Didn't he extend gun rights into national parks? On the other hand, this now makes me view him as an anti-gunner. Maybe not like Hillary, Biden or Botox Queen (Pelosi), but it still makes him anti-2A.

    I, too, cannot see any criminals doing hold-ups or robberies with M1's. There are better weapons that they easily have access too.
    Last edited: Aug 20, 2010
  7. armedandsafe

    armedandsafe Guest

    I'd like to know who in the administration brought the pressure to bear on South Korea. I was of the understanding that negotiations of this type were the purview of the State Department. You know, Hillary Clinton.

    OH, I just answered my own question, didn't I.

  8. doug66

    doug66 Member

    Jan 29, 2005
    Gun control, what else would you expect from the people who urinated away their grandchildren's future with bailouts/stimulus and making sure every dead beat gets free healthcare. They had it on their list all along, they are just now getting around to it. The only answer is TERM LIMITS.
  9. JLA

    JLA Well-Known Member

    Feb 26, 2007
    Heart Of Texas
    Helix and i talked about this on the phone earlier today. Funny would be thugs sporting garand thumbs... All humor aside though. Its pure BS and they are banning perfectly legal to own by civilians protected under the second ammendment rights guns. ITS BS!!!
  10. graehaven

    graehaven Well-Known Member

    May 26, 2007
    Rochester, NY
    LOL, not really surprised.

    This guy and his cronies are seizing control of private industry right and left, now control health care (wait till you see your rates jump in January), will soon be telling us what we can and can't eat, is spending like a drunken sailor, has made congress irrelevant, and that's the short list. What's a few guns?

    He doesn't care.

    We keep reacting as if we're dealing with a reasonable individual here, one that believes in the same principles we do.

    He's not. He's a marxist muslim, who hates freedom, hates the founding fathers, hates our constitution, loves communism/socialism, and is doing everything possible (and knowing it too) to destroy our present country and introduce a new system (which they have already prepared).
  11. armedandsafe

    armedandsafe Guest

    Rates are not waiting for January to jump. We bought FirstInLine's meds last month and the price had jumped 150%.

  12. Millwright

    Millwright Well-Known Member

    Jun 30, 2005
    Not sure if I were an owner of a good Garand or Carbine, I'd oppose this.......I just returned from two gun shows and Carbines were tagged $450 and up......Garands $1150 and up. One M-14, (listed as "Match") tagged $2,300 !!

    Since its obvious both arms are common in the marketplace, there's little logical "reason" for banning what amounts to "repatriation" of arms made in the USA. Whether what is marketed is good, serviceable, or a wall hanger is up to the emporter and the purchaser. All the specs, guages and parts are available for owners/gunsmiths to make them into safe, functional arms. Moreover, they'll then be part of the legal trade system affording greater govenment oversight of their passing to the ultimate end users.

    OTOH, what better way to ensure these arms end up in the hands of the drug cartels and criminal elements than to ban their import into the legal trade ? Even though I can't see any cartel or street criminal having any use for an 11-lb Garand with a mule kick. They mostly prefer arms stocked for smaller framed individuals, ala the AK/SKS series, with a 'baby's kick' ...... >MW
  13. hogger129

    hogger129 Well-Known Member

    Nov 29, 2009
    I agree. We DO need term limits. But how do you stop one of these pieces of crap from promoting the next piece of crap to get elected? Then instead of one person abusing their authority, you get a long line of people abusing their authority.

    The same goes for a bureaucracy. An elected legislature can trample a man's rights just as easily as a King can. (A group of people can piss on the common man just as easily as one person).

    It seems people have forgotten about recalls.
    Last edited: Aug 21, 2010
  14. hogger129

    hogger129 Well-Known Member

    Nov 29, 2009
    In the words of Mel Gibson (Braveheart) - "They may take our lives, but they will never take our freedom!"
  15. dbrodin

    dbrodin New Member

    Apr 15, 2009
    Duluth MN
    Besides, holding them sideways is a bitch! :D:D

    If they don't come back here, then they are going to end up somewhere else.
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