Obama gaffe or truth?

Discussion in 'The Fire For Effect and Totally Politically Incorr' started by satellite66, Sep 7, 2008.

  1. satellite66

    satellite66 New Member

    Oct 6, 2004
    Central NJ
    Was this a gaffe or were his true thoughts coming out? Notice George corrects him before he corrects himself. No media bias there.

    Watch and decide
  2. ponycar17

    ponycar17 Active Member

    Feb 17, 2005
    South Carolina
    I have a few thoughts on this...

    First, Obama is a great orator when his speech is well-rehearsed or sitting in front of him on a teleprompter. He is like a bull in china shop when he has to think on his feet. For this reason, he will surely do a poor job in the upcoming debates.

    Now, with that said that he cannot think quickly on his feet, this could have been a slip revealing his true feelings... In any event, he revealed how poorly he is at speaking unprompted.

  3. doug66

    doug66 Member

    Jan 29, 2005
    Yeah, I've noticed when he is reading the script and playing the part of the SUPERSTAR, there is none better.

    When he is asked an out of the blue type question or is asked to clarify his position on any subject, I've noticed he looks down a lot and says uh quite a bit. I'm not implying he isn't intelligent.

    What I am saying is, I think he's a snake.
  4. Terry_P

    Terry_P New Member

    Mar 23, 2008
    And the 57 states will decide in November.
  5. SaddleSarge

    SaddleSarge New Member

    Aug 24, 2008
    Freudian slip?

    However, since Allah cannot see outside of the middle East, he very well could lie about his faith. I'm certainly not convinced that he is a Christian.

    Lt. Col. David Grossman expounds upon the lack of understanding in the U.S. about the muslim faith and how perpetrators of 9/11 had drugs, alcohol, prostitutes, etc... all of which are condemned by the muslim faith, but..... Allah can't see over here.

    What is to stop a simple lie about faith then if Allah can't see or hear him?
    Last edited: Sep 8, 2008
  6. Terry_P

    Terry_P New Member

    Mar 23, 2008

    By Aaron Klein
    © 2008 WorldNetDaily

    Slip of the tongue or momentary confusion? In a television interview today discussing his religion, Sen. Barack Obama stated, "My Muslim faith."

    Obama, speaking to ABC's George Stephanopoulos on "This Week," was talking about what he described as "smears" that were claiming he was a Muslim when he maintains he is a practicing Christian.

    "Let's not play games," Obama stated. "What I was suggesting – you're absolutely right that John McCain has not talked about my Muslim faith. And you're absolutely right that that has not come."

    Stephanopoulos immediately interrupted Obama, stating, "Christian faith."

    "My Christian faith," Obama quickly said. "Well, what I'm saying is that he (McCain) hasn't suggested that I'm a Muslim. And I think that his campaign's upper echelons have not, either. What I think is fair to say is that, coming out of the Republican camp, there have been efforts to suggest that perhaps I'm not who I say I am when it comes to my faith – something which I find deeply offensive, and that has been going on for a pretty long time."

    The statements came amid an exchange in which Obama accused Republicans of spreading "lies" that he is a Muslim. McCain, though, has strongly condemned such accusations.

    "These guys love to throw a rock and hide their hand," Obama said.

    But Stephanopoulos corrected the Illinois senator, stating, "The McCain campaign has never suggested you have Muslim connections."

    Obama replied: "I don't think that when you look at what is being promulgated on Fox News, let's say, and Republican commentators who are closely allied to these folks."

    "But John McCain said that's wrong," Stephanopoulos shot back.

    Obama's momentary slip was immediately picked up by scores of Internet blogs.

    Obama 'quite religious in Islam'

    Obama has long denied he was ever a Muslim. His campaign site states: "Senator Obama has never been a Muslim, was not raised as a Muslim, and is a committed Christian."

    But as WND reported, public records in Indonesia listed Obama as a Muslim during his early years, and a number of childhood friends claimed to the media Obama was once a mosque-attending Muslim.

    Obama's campaign several times has wavered in response to reporters queries regarding the senator's childhood faith.

    Commenting on a recent Los Angeles Times report quoting a childhood friend stating Obama prayed in a mosque – something the presidential candidate said he never did – Obama's campaign released a statement explaining the senator "has never been a practicing Muslim."

    Widely distributed reports have noted that in January 1968, Obama was registered as a Muslim at Jakarta's Roman Catholic Franciscus Assisi Primary School under the name Barry Soetoro. He was listed as an Indonesian citizen whose stepfather, listed on school documents as "L Soetoro Ma," worked for the topography department of the Indonesian Army.

    Catholic schools in Indonesia routinely accept non-Catholic students but exempt them from studying religion. Obama's school documents, though, wrongly list him as being Indonesian.

    After attending the Assisi Primary School, Obama was enrolled – also as a Muslim, according to documents – in the Besuki Primary School, a public school in Jakarta.

    The Loatze blog, run by an American expatriate in Southeast Asia who visited the Besuki school, noted: "All Indonesian students are required to study religion at school, and a young 'Barry Soetoro,' being a Muslim, would have been required to study Islam daily in school. He would have been taught to read and write Arabic, to recite his prayers properly, to read and recite from the Quran and to study the laws of Islam."

    Indeed, in Obama's autobiography, "Dreams From My Father," he acknowledged studying the Quran and describes the public school as "a Muslim school."

    "In the Muslim school, the teacher wrote to tell mother I made faces during Quranic studies," wrote Obama.

    The Indonesian media have been flooded with accounts of Obama's childhood Islamic studies, some describing him as a religious Muslim.

    Speaking to the country's Kaltim Post, Tine Hahiyary, who was principal of Obama's school while he was enrolled there, said she recalls he studied the Quran in Arabic.

    "At that time, I was not Barry's teacher, but he is still in my memory" claimed Tine, who is 80 years old.

    The Kaltim Post said Obama's teacher, named Hendri, died.

    "I remember that he studied 'mengaji (recitation of the Quran)," Tine said, according to an English translation by Loatze.

    Mengaji, or the act of reading the Quran with its correct Arabic punctuation, is usually taught to more religious pupils and is not known as a secular study.

    Also, Loatze documented the Indonesian daily Banjarmasin Post interviewed Rony Amir, an Obama classmate and Muslim, who described Obama as "previously quite religious in Islam."

    "We previously often asked him to the prayer room close to the house. If he was wearing a sarong (waist fabric worn for religious or casual occasions) he looked funny," Amir said.

    The Los Angeles Times, which sent a reporter to Jakarta, quoted Zulfin Adi, who identified himself as among Obama's closest childhood friends, stating the presidential candidate prayed in a mosque, something Obama's campaign claimed he never did.

    "We prayed, but not really seriously, just following actions done by older people in the mosque. But as kids, we loved to meet our friends and went to the mosque together and played," said Adi.

    Friday prayers

    Aside from a new website to fight purported smears, Obama's official campaign site has a page titled "Obama has never been a Muslim, and is a committed Christian." The page states, "Obama never prayed in a mosque. He has never been a Muslim, was not raised a Muslim, and is a committed Christian who attends the United Church of Christ."

    But the campaign changed its tune when it issued a "practicing Muslim" clarification to the Los Angeles Times.

    An article in March by the Chicago Tribune apparently disputes Adi's statements to the L.A. paper. The Tribune caught up with Obama's declared childhood friend, who now describes himself as only knowing Obama for a few months in 1970 when his family moved to the neighborhood. Adi said he was unsure about his recollections of Obama.

    But the Tribune found Obama did attend mosque.

    "Interviews with dozens of former classmates, teachers, neighbors and friends show that Obama was not a regular practicing Muslim when he was in Indonesia," states the Tribune article.

    It quotes the presidential candidate's former neighbors and third-grade teacher recalling Obama "occasionally followed his stepfather to the mosque for Friday prayers."

    Daniel Pipes, director of the Middle East Forum, notes the Tribune article – cited by liberal blogs as refuting claims Obama is Muslim – actually implies Obama was an irregularly practicing Muslim and twice confirms Obama attended mosque services.

    In a free-ranging interview with the New York Times, Obama described the Muslim call to prayer as "one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset."

    The Times' Nicholos Kristof wrote Obama recited, "with a first-class [Arabic] accent," the opening lines of the Muslim call to prayer.

    The first few lines of the call to prayer state:

    Allah is Supreme!
    Allah is Supreme!
    Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme!
    I witness that there is no god but Allah
    I witness that there is no god but Allah
    I witness that Muhammad is his prophet ...

    Some attention also has been paid to Obama's paternal side of the family, including his father and his brother, Roy.

    Writing in a chapter of his book describing his 1992 wedding, the presidential candidate stated: "The person who made me proudest of all was Roy. Actually, now we call him Abongo, his Luo name, for two years ago he decided to reassert his African heritage. He converted to Islam and has sworn off pork and tobacco and alcohol."

    Still, Obama says he was raised by his Christian mother and repeatedly has labeled as "smears" several reports attempting to paint him as a Muslim.

    "Let's make clear what the facts are: I am a Christian. I have been sworn in with a Bible. I pledge allegiance [to the American flag] and lead the Pledge of Allegiance sometimes in the United States Senate when I'm presiding," he told the Times of London earlier this year.
  7. myfaforumname

    myfaforumname Former Guest

    Aug 17, 2008
    "First, Obama is a great orator when his speech is well-rehearsed or sitting in front of him on a teleprompter. He is like a bull in china shop when he has to think on his feet. For this reason, he will surely do a poor job in the upcoming debates."

    Worse than McCain you mean? Poor is a relative word. McCain has a lot of trouble in each case. The debates will likely be Obama's strong point. I think the bump he gets from a good performance will be less than many people might expect though. There are still a large number of people in this country who would never vote for someone of color.


    Do you have any of your own thoughts to offer or do you just like pasting websites?
  8. Obama does deliver a very good speech. Once he is on his own, the teleprompters are off and he has to think on his feet, there is a completely different side (and I think the true one) presents itself.

    McCain is certainly no great speaker, but he is fairly consistent no matter the circumstances. If he is well prepared (which he will be) and keeps Obama in a reactive mode (which he is now), McCain will do very well I think.
  9. ponycar17

    ponycar17 Active Member

    Feb 17, 2005
    South Carolina
    That must be why Obama has refused to appear in venues with less than 10,000 participants until shortly after the RNC where he appeared with a small crowd to discuss the issues. He seems to fear a town hall format where communication goes in both directions. Some in-laws who support Obama were upset that he backed out of a venue in FL where only 3,000 supporters were promised to attend.

    Obama's stadium crowd speeches prompted Phil Bredesen, Governor of TN, and once thought to be on a short list for VP selection to make this assertion to Obama...

    From http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080822/NEWS0206/808220382/1009/NEWS02

    Yeah, he'll do well in those debates... ;)
  10. satellite66

    satellite66 New Member

    Oct 6, 2004
    Central NJ
    The thing with this interview is that Obama knew what he was going to ask. George was not going to blind side him. His rush to correct him shows where his heart is. Getting questions from the MSM in that way is probably better than being on a prompter.
  11. Terry_P

    Terry_P New Member

    Mar 23, 2008
    I find that once a libs bubble has been burst they resort to personal attacks and snide comments. I have offered my opinions in many posts here and by posting someone elses thoughts I expanded upon the original topic. You decidedly attempted to go off topic as it was all most unfavorable to your messiah. To present a different view on your off topic debate comments what your are ignoring is Mccain will/has manage(d) expectations to the point that even if Obama does well, which is doubtful it will be simply what was anticipated. If however Mccain hammers Obama on his weakness of national security and taxes it will be a huge victory for McCain. In short Obama doesn't have the knowledge or skills to do better than expectations except of course to the Chris Mathews and other libs that feel a tingling in their legs.

    One more thought, this is a firearms forum what firearms topics have you posted in? Ok I cheated the answer is none.
    Last edited: Sep 9, 2008
  12. patrol

    patrol Member

    May 19, 2007
    God help us all...
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