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  1. Double D

    Double D Administrator Staff Member Supporting Member

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    NOT A SOCIALIST? REALLY? Give me a break.
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    "@ bobits: yes, a rather bad one at that.

    @double D: Obama is NOT a socialist.... the rest seems about right. I could be wrong it could just be he's never held any managment positions at state level and he just doesn't know what the hell he's doing. I swear I thought being a governor or at least mayor was one requirement to being the president."-gendoikari87

    Please tell me I didn't just see this......where's the friggin kool-aid.
  3. gendoikari87

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    not even a little. Nationalizing healthcare has nothing to do with true socialism. Communism maybe, but real socialists hate communists, but they are a little nomenclature away from being fascists.
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    So controling the health care system, controling the auto industry (illegally giving unions control) and controling the housing sector, and putting repair shops and used car sales out of business with cash for clunkers, attempting to silence free speech, controlling off shore oil drilling, appointing numerous people to positions that are suppose to be approved first, and having numerous anti american friends and contacts, and should I mention anti christian events and pro muslim events and being attached to soros at the hip while conspireing to take down american currency, well, I guess your right. It doesnt sound at all like a socialist. Oh yea, how about his buddy Yugo Chavez? Oh, I know, that doesnt count either.
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    Ya, the same Chavez that owns Citgo, Diebold(voting mach),
    and called W the devil .........
    nor does any of this count....
    'nuff said.
  6. gendoikari87

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    Learn what socialism is, The means of production in the hands of the people, when done by the government, controlled by the government it's communism.

    Socialists basically, say that we should start by letting the unions democratically control the corporations, which would eventually expand to the surrounding community controlling. All through a democratic process, preferably without government intervention.

    COMMUNISM, seeks to enact this by having the GOVERNMENT, control the means of production, because as we all know, the government always works only with the welfare and will of the public in mind. This rapidly devolves into defacto fascism, just like the soviet union, china, and north korea.
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  7. ozo

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    gendoikari87, I am very curious why you think about these things in this manner.
    I'm serious, and this is not to call you out for anything or any reason. As far as I know
    you are an American, believe in the 2nd, and maybe ex-military (by your signature).
    Can you expound on this? Like, what shape is the US economy in, the position and stand of Congress and the White House, IRS, unemployment, union involvement in the 21st
    century,etc. ? Just the typical things we deal with in the news and in our wallets these days.....I'm curious where your stand is, as a fellow American and my brother in God's eyes. I think we should be pulling together, not pushing each other away, and wish to know more of what you think. Maybe it is a selfish part of me, but I like to know who is around me.
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    Wow that's a long LONG story to write my friend. if you really want I can PM you. I do have a couple papers I wrote a while back. I'll post them here shortly. I find a hard time in politics. on some issues I'm far left wing, and on others like immigration and gun control i'm really really right wing.

    23 and never been in the military, my sig is from a friend who saw action in iraq, and HATED his side arm, I think it was a beretta. but I do intend on going into either military or police service soon if I can't get a job as a weapons designer.
  9. Double D

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    Obama illegally gave the unions control of GM and Chrysler. That is in your words what socialists do. It really doesnt matter to me what the definition of all this is. It is in my opinion a crime against this country and a disgrace to the office of presidency. It is nothing more or less than treason or some other offense that should not go unpunished. Its closer to socialism or communism or just plain anti-americanism than we as a country have ever seen and as a veteran I say that justice should be served. This whole administration should be shackled and chained and they should be forced to appoligize to all of our veterans who have fought to keep this great country free. So, call it what you want, I will call it what I want. DISGRACE. P.S. I am not left wing on ANYTHING. Not even close to center.
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  10. gendoikari87

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    So what's wrong with the unions controlling GM and chrysler? Its essentially like saying that a small monarch serf system is better than a democracy when it comes to business. If the unions had controlled GM back in the 1980's Flint wouldn't be a hell hole now.

    Edit: also didn't the car companies go broke in 2008 while Bush was still in office?
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  11. Teejay9

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    PAtato, patAHto. If he isn't a Socialist, then he's been pretty good at masquerading as one. TJ
  12. Double D

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    This is where it ends for me my friend. Like banging your head against a brick wall. I have spent years answering questions like these. I will only respond with this and I promise, I will not continue since it is a TOTAL waste of my time and effort. Read my sig below. It Was and still is the unions that have caused the failure of the auto industry.
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    There once was time when the workers had to unite for better wages working condition,etc. Unions, for the most part, have outlived their usefulness. They still carry so much weight, they control several states like California. Who in their right mind would want Barbara Boxer for another 6 years!?! And Jerry "Moonbeam" Brown as governor? TJ
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    Unions= Mob
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    only corrupted ones, and most aren't that democratic. It's also why you classify oganized crime as enemy combatants and hunt them down like the dogs they are.
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    GM went under because of the Unions. The people making the cars were over paid. There benefits are outragest and that put the price of the cars out of reach for many. +1 TeeJay9
    Martin
  17. gendoikari87

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    Simply not true, adjusting for inflation wages were higher back in the 60's, and they were thriving then, even when the japanese cars came in (for a time). If anything, blame the extremely bloated wages of the managment, which have grown faster than inflation since the 60's, and that with increased competition.

    Unions might be corrupt but at least at the end of the day they are SUPPOSED to have the welfare of everyone involved in mind. The same cannot be said for the executives who by law are required to have the shareholders profits as top priority, above even the public welfare. (refrence cochomba water riots, luv canal, and others.)
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  18. Bobitis

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    Me thinks we're getting way off topic at this point.

    gendoikari87, you say the Kenyan is a poor fake.
    What proof do you have in order to make that claim?
  19. gendoikari87

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    Aside from the glaring inconsistencies with the document itself? The hawiian one checks out, there's several photos of him in hawii, none of the main republicans have said anything about the citizenship after the election indicating it was created as a way of getting people not to vote for him. I'd mentin something about the actual document being released instead of a copy but I don't know kenyan privacy laws.
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  20. Old Guy

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    I think that the argument should not be Republican vs. Democrats when it comes to the subject of disclosure. I think that it is the elitists of all ilks that have bought into the "living" Constitution argument that feel that they are above the document because they can interpret it to their own benefit and gain. There are very few of the ones in Washington that can relate to any of us because they are all exceedingly rich, many multimillionaires. They have a different view of life than the average person as a result of their lifestyle. It also appears that once you enter the Washington bubble you will be assimilated into the system, it is just a matter of how long it takes. The pressure and money is too great and the citizen statesman has turned into a carreer path with many lucrative perks. And thus the talk will go on about the Kenyan/Indonesian/American. Would it not be simple to just produce the certificate of live birth that all of us have? Why spend millions to protect all of your personal information unless you have something to hide? Would not attending a college/university as a foreign exchange student blow a hole in the entire defense? Of course it would, so the files are mysteriously sealed to prevent the truth from coming out. This great country was founded on integrity and honesty, something that seems to be woefully lacking today.
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