% of .22 "knock down power"...I need ideas.

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  1. delta13soultaker

    delta13soultaker New Member

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    This might interest you on .22LR stopping power.

    The guy who started Second Chance, the body armor company in the seventies that speerheaded the industry, is a former marine and got the idea from a shooting he was in while he was a pizza deliveryman.

    Some versions of the story he shot two, or three, killed one, wounded three etc. When I saw his interview about what motivated him to start making vests they recreated the shooting.

    In his version, it was dark and there were three men beside the house he was delivering to. Davis had the pizzas in one hand and his handgun under the boxes in the other hand. One guy pulled a .380 pistol and pointed at his head from 7-10 feet. Davis froze a few seconds, then shot the guy through the lower head. The other guy closest to him turned to run. Davis fired one shot, center of back, killing him instantly by severing spine.

    According to that he got 2 quick kills in a few moments with 2 aimed shots. His weapon: .22LR. I think in the reenactment it was a revolver.
  2. Crpdeth

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    Very good stuff men (and lady:) )

    Just FYI, I have directed her to this thread and I believe you folks have made a positive impact on her decision making process.

    She tells me that she is "excited about this .22 idea" which makes me realize even more that this is a step in the right direction...Going from reluctantcy and even some fear, to "being excited". I have a huge smile on my face. :D

    Job well done folks!

    Keep the thoughts rolling in as you wish though.


    Crpdeth
  3. Deputy Dawg

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    I do not have the charts for a breakdown of the number, but more poeple are killed by 22s than all of the other ones here in the U.S.
  4. AL MOUNT

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    If the 1st round hits the BG, I would venture to bet he's not going to stop

    and try to anaylize what caliber it was......:D

    I would avoid any DA auto for this young lady due to trigger pull.

    Once comfortable with the .22, she could always upgrade to a

    smooth functioning machine, like a Sig or Walther in 9mm.
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    Exactly...That is the plan. :D

    One thing I'm learning is that, just as with my little daughter they learn baby steps first...Maybe someday she will be my running partner and hopefully "show me up", but it takes a little time.

    Something we always say in my line of work regarding trees is that, the ones that grow up real fast die out real fast as well. But take a variety that comes along real slow, but steady...Those are the ones that are there forever.

    Crpdeth
  6. delta13soultaker

    delta13soultaker New Member

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    Sometimes the shortest way is the long way around:D
  7. Exactly so, Al! If you do decide to go for a .22 revolver (which does have some advantages), Donny, I agree with Al and would suggest avoiding the DAO (shrouded hammer designs) and go with one with a visible (and cockable!) hammer. Thus you can shoot the revolver in double action if rapid, very close range shots are indicated, or cock the hammer for more accurate single action use.

    Never underestimate the effectiveness of three or four, quickly delivered, long rifle, high velocity, 37 grain .22s to eliminate agressive tendencies in any potential opponent. :D
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    A load disbursement suggestion: 2 CCI mini-mags 22LR hollowpoints followed by a standard full leadhead.
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    When someone gets shot they know they have been shot, they dont stop to think about caliber size. Also, you don't really need to "knock them down" as much as deter the threat, an intruder in your home is probably gonna try to escape when you start shooting, that is if he is there for your stuff and not you.

    The main reason you hear about knock down power in calibers is more for law enforcement and needing big callibers to literally knock down pople hopped up on drugs. Ive seen a crack head get 5 chest and abdomen shots with a .45 from 15 feet away then take off running a half mile down the street.

    If this is for home defense only then she needs a high capacity shotgun with frangible, especially if there are other people living in the house. But if she really wants a pistol then you cant go wrong with a Walther P22 and CCI Stinger ammo, this gun will fit her hands guarenteed.
  10. Pat Hurley

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    So much good stuff has already been said, Crp, that I don't have much original to offer you. Except that I have found that letting the newcomer to firearms go slowly, gain confidence through practice, and progress to larger weapons and calibers on their own timetables is usually the best strategy.

    What's worse, being underarmed or not armed at all? A novice who is intimidated by the firearm she posesses will insure that the firearm gathers dust and be if little use in an emergency.

    Don't push, just gently encourage and offer lots of compliments when she masters a new skill. Before you know it she'll ask you to graduate from a Walther P22 (a super weapon, by the way) to a .380, and perhaps a 9mm. And the shooting sports/2nd Amendment enthusiasts will have gained another kindred spirit.

    Keep us posted. And tell her she's got a lot of moral support and people routing for her in these hallowed and heavily armed halls of cyberspace. :)
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    20g shotgun with low recoil buckshot!
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    There is absolutly nothing wrong with a .22. Im not a pro but I can work numbers. If you have decided to shoot some one to kill then you might as well go all the way. Empty the clip. The .22 may not be strong with only one round but 10 rounds is something else. Simple as that
  13. hoser1

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    I'll 2nd the 22 mag suggestion, but, as was mentioned, it is a revolver round anymore. I've got a Grendel P30 that's a blast to shoot (30 rounds) and has never failed to function but is hard to trust your life to it and besides, Clinton killed it with his ban and now if you can find one, they are expensive. But, its a dandy cartridge.
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    First Off Handguns dont' knock you off your feet. There are two important factors to stopping a threat quickly. Peneatration and Trauma that causes fast bleed out. This is why a handgun is considered a secondary weapon. Having said this: Its always good to have your cousin use what she shoots well with and feels best in her hands. The problem with semi-auto's for females besides recoil is manipulation of the slide to cycle a round. Beretta makes a flip top 84 Cheetah in 380 or they used to that women love. I also reccommend the Browining Hipower, my wife shoots that one the most and she can rack the slide easier than with about any other pistol and it fits her hand. The 22 situation will definatley kill and debilitate or maim no doubt but if she goes to that she has to be willing to pull the trigger until the gun is empty to have any stopping effect, ive seen too many women that shoot once then throw down the gun like a kid. Not to stereo type) Good luck
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