Open Carry Nation Wide

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  1. johnlives4christ

    johnlives4christ Former Guest

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    What do yall think would happen if we could organize a national open carry day, and actually get folks to participate.

    lets say, set it for sometime spring of next year. get it in circulation, on the news maybe, in papers, on the radio. get people on the local level to meet and form groups.

    then on the day, everyone open carry everywhere you go (with the exception of work if you'll lose your job), even and especially places that it's illegal to carry.

    what would happen?

    cops couldnt arrest everyone. lets say 50,000 people gathered in nyc, while that's a drop in the bucket to the population there, thats a mighty big number of folks in one area.

    i guess im thinking that if we were ALL to do it, then no one could stop us. we could demand that we're given back the rights we have lost concerning guns if we were all to make a single united stand.

    thoughts?

    ~john
  2. RunningOnMT

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    Hm...That might backfire on us John. We've got concealed carry now in most states and while in many open carry is legal, most folks don't. If the anti gun public starts whining when they see all those guns the politicians may clamp down on us one way or another. I guess I think we should be happy having concealed carry privileges.
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    im thinking along the lines of resisting
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    it makes peeps nervous
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    it might make people nervous, but that is their problem, it shouldnt be case not to carry openly.
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    Wish we lived a bit closer John, I would like to see nationwide constitutional carry.
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    One of the problems with open carry that I see: You have to carry an EMPTY gun, should there be a problem in your neighborhood, YOU would be the first target because your gun is OPENLY carried and you have an EMPTY gun. Concealed is the way to go, keep it covered, keep it loaded, and respond as needed.
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    maybe in some parts you have to carry an empty gun. in kentucky you can carry it fully loaded.
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    As the author of the Minnesota Personal Protection Act has frequently said, "No one should ever know you are carrying. NO ONE!"

    And yes, he DOES know more than you do....
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    I think John is thinking along the lines of "use your right's or you'll lose them", and actually I kind of agree with him. Open carry should be legal everywhere. My take is that's what the founders had in mind with the second amendment. In fact it has always been my belief that licensing for carry concealed or otherwise is an infringement on our second amendment rights. The framers already said our rights are God given, and specified the right to keep and bear arms as one of them. What gives the state the right to license, limit, tax, or otherwise interfere with those exercising that right?

    My problem is that we already have our plates full with other issues. Electing honest people that believe in our constitution is the key to us obtaining our full constitutional rights. Without having done that first, we will end up butting heads with the likes of Schumer and Pelosi, and we will lose as long as they hold office. They have the full weight of law enforcement behind them.
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    squeaky wheel gets the oil. Unfortunately the anti-gunner squeak sounds more like a tornado siren and they have a pit crew to oil it.
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    I agree. I think the BEST way to fight for your rights is at the voting booth. When all else fails, then take up resistance. From what I have seen in the last few years, we are actually making great strides. Landmark Supreme Court decisions, politicians abandoning their gun control platform (at least publicly), and we are just getting started.

    As my signature quote implies I'm all for resistance when necessary, but everything in it's season (Ecclesiastes 3). We are trying to show the fearful liberals that we are level-headed, reasonable, and peaceful, law-abiding citizens who want to defend ourselves when necessary, which we are. Staging protests which breaks the law (however unconstitutional), resisting law enforcement, etc. only gives them ammo in their argument that we are to be feared, and therefore, disarmed. I think it would have the opposite effect of that intended in the long run.

    We have a great opportunity to neuter the Obama administration this November, and to finish the job in 2012. Vote for those who support the 2nd amendment. I mean those who really support it, not just give lip service to it. We are winning this fight, let's not lose it by becoming overly-aggressive and over shooting our primary target.
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    our gun rights have been infringed upon since 1934with the passage of the National firearms act. unless there are previous laws im unaware of. everyone says their gun rights are important... but no one is willing to do anything about it. what we need to do is somehow send the message to congress, and to voters, that even if they dont like guns they cannot impose a law prohibiting their ownership or use.

    right now people are under the impression that all they have to do is pass a law and guns would be either illegal or have to all be registered. the only problem they see is getting people to vote on it. they do not see armed resistance as a problem because for so long gun owners have complied with rules that are unconstitutional. just like they nibble away at our rights by passing the nfa, they could and want to do the same by making it a requirement to have all handguns registered, or all guns period. but where does it stop? how far are you willing to let them push before you push back. how many failed voting seasons does it take before you decide it's time to resist?

    when a government is big enough to limit what its people can have, its big enough to take away everything you have.

    i guess what im trying to say is this.

    gun owners like us, the ones that see gun ownership and usage as a right instead of a privilege are not the majority, we're the minority now. most people dont see anything wrong with the national firearms act, even gun owners. and because we're the minority, its too late to vote our rights back. you should never have to vote to have something that is in the constitution as a GOD GIVEN RIGHT. so why aren't the gun owners willing to actually use their guns if need be to ensure that right, just like the founding fathers would want?

    why do we all set by and get pissed off that they are trying to get some new law passed and then sigh a breathe of relief if it fails? if every gun owner only half of the gun owners in the country had an "illegal" gun and rallied in out states capitals the crowd of defiant citizens would be so big that we could not be stopped as a whole. you cannot arrest 20,000 people, or 50,000 people. if we could organize and band together to protest, and if we all had the attitude of "you can have my gun when you pry it from my cold dead hands" then congress would listen. but as it is, we are the minority, just one of many minorities. our voice is small.

    if there are 10 people stranded on an island, 9 men and 1 woman. if they all take a vote to rape the woman and only the woman opposes the idea, is this democracy? just because something gets voted in does not make it right. and it does not mean that we should all comply. because the second amendment is a right, not a privilege, it is something we should do without restrictions, and if they try to stop us with force... we should resist with force.
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    open carry is legal in Ct. but most people are not doing it, i think if all the crooks saw everyone with guns they would think twice
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    you're right beth, they would think twice. ya know someone robbed the bank in walmart a few months back.. i couldnt believe it. i bet if the guy in line next to this guy had of had a pistol on his hip the guy would have lost his nerve
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    exactly
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    if had of been there, he would have been looking down the barrel of a glock lol
  18. PCMeanie

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    I think open carry is along the same lines as being a Dad...
    Anyone with a gun can open carry, that does NOT mean they know the responsiblity that carries!
    Any healthy male can be a father, those of us with children know it takes far more than that to be a Dad!

    I'm not opposed to open carry because I am usually armed and know I can defend myself if the situation calls for it. What about the people who know nothing about gun safety and responsibilty? I'm not saying it's a bad thing, I'm just undecided about the facts that come with it.

    We see police and government officials carrying weapons and we naturally assume that they have had the proper training and know what is involved with carrying that weapon. John Doe walks through Wal-Mart packing a 357 on his hip, I might not be so inclined to just go on about my business. Don't take that the wrong way, I've done it myself after reading another open carry post on here just to test the water! I got some strange looks, but nobody actually confronted me other than to ask what I was "packing".

    Who knows? I can see the pros and cons of both and I have no clue what the solution might be? I know that I am confident in my firearm training and it's not something I announce to the rest of the world. I guess the big advantage to carrying concealed is the element of suprise. Open carry you pretty much display your intentions right out there for everyone to see! I'll still try a few other places with the open carry, but for the most part I'll keep it in my pants so to speak! ;)
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    that is one disadvantage to open carry. people get nervous. but i dont think it should be a reason not to carry. a lot of people think that if they are offended or uncomfortable by something that you shouldnt be allowed to do it.

    i dont see any more responsibility in open carrying a handgun as i do owning one for self defense. safe firearms handling and common sense are a must.
  20. GoodOl'12gauge

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    I think open carry everywere would be wonderful. The bad guys would weed themselves out quickly and the irresponsible would also quickly be weeded out, and then crime and gun accidents would be zero zip sh*t, or at least really low.
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