P-17 enfield history???

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    I recently got lucky and acquired one of these rifles in good condition. I am familiar with mausers but this is not my area of expertise. I posted a description in the "whats it worth section".
    Was this not the rifle that Sgt. York used?? Wasn't it the main battle rifle for the doughboys in WWI? Any info as to history or even a website or two would be appreciated. regards swede
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    This site talks a little about the p-17
    www.african-hunter.com/si...fle_02.htm

    Do a search under rec.guns here for the p-17. Make sure you select search only in rec.guns
    www.groups.google.com/gro...p=rec.guns






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    There were two main rifles used by U.S. forces during WW1....the M1902 Springfield and the M1917 (Pattern 17) Enfield.

    Yes, Sgt. York used the Enfield, but according to his diary, after they got to France they turned them in for "British guns".

    "MAY 21, 1918

    LeHavre, France: So we got to France at Le Havre. There we turned in our guns and got British guns. Well, we went out from Le Havre to a little inland camp. I had taken a liking to my gun by this time. I had taken it apart and cleaned it enough to learn every piece and I could almost put it back together with my eyes shut. The Greeks and Italians were improving. They had stayed continuously on the rifle range for a month or two and got so they could shoot well. They were fairly good pals, too. But I missed the Tennesseans. I was the only mountaineer in the platoon. I didn't like the British guns so well. I don't think they were as accurate as our American rifles. Ho ho."

    Here's a good site on the M1917: www.wwa.com/~dvelleux/m1917.html

    Alvin York's diary: acacia.pair.com/Acacia.Vi....York.html

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    Thanks guys...appreciate the assist...regards swede
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    Canfield says the Doughboys referred to the P17s quite often as "British Enfields," and cites that quote...he believes they just got different 17s, and since they were in England at the time, that's why they called them "British."

    No doughboys used P14s or SMLEs according to Canfield, and he's the best I found.

    The only troops in Europe using '03 Springfields in WWI were the Marines...


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    But what's going on with the bayonets? Where did SOG get a ton of them so they can sell them so cheap?

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    Hey, OB, I was wondering when you'd come back, and if you'd yank my chain for quoting one of "The Donkeys."

    And I've seen these advertised cheaply elsewhere recently for like $40 also, as "Trench Gun" bayonets...which they were, too...but I think whereever I saw them they had scabbards too not like SOG...
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    were done by the French post-War, I think. While shortening the bayonet, they also cut off the muzzle loop. These do have original -- for them -- sheathes. But I can't understand how one in original bayonet configuration can go -- scabbard or not -- for forty bucks. The only reason I haven't ordered 200 of them is that... well... uh...

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