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P-51 & P-38

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Marlin T, Jun 19, 2007.

  1. Marlin T

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    GREAT pics Marlin...where was the show?

    We have one here in Indy called the Mt.Comfort Air Show that is rated as one of the best in the states every year, but that ain't indy underneath I don't think....

    I've seen these guys perform before....plus lots of times they fly formation with a B-25, or have mock dogfights with some AT-6s done up to look like Zeros....
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    My two favorite U.S. fighters. Thanks for the pics.
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    Do they do mock dogfights against each other? The reason I ask is that it almost looks like they have "kills" marked on their port side drop tanks.


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  5. armedandsafe

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    During the last few month of WWII, I saw a P38 at the local airport, which was a base used by the USAF and Army for "security storage." The machine gun compartments had been replaced with cockpits and the pilots cockpit had been guttted and filled with camera gear. I've never been able to find any documentation on this, including queries through the San Diego Museum.

    Pops
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    Armed, the P-38 was used pretty extensively as a high altitude fast photo-recon plane in WWII, starting as early as late 1942....mostly in Europe.

    Early ones I believe were just field conversions of early model Lightnings, with all the armament removed, but by 1943 they were making purpose built ones called F-4s (I think, if I remember right....) with no armament, so they flew even faster, and they were painted all over a light almost powder blue for camoflage. They usually flew solo missions, high and fast, taking pre-and post strike photos before and after every heavy bombing raid

    Later in the war German interceptors mainly FWs managed to catch them pretty regularly and they started taking fairly heavy casualties, so on the later ones they reinstalled two .50s to give them a chance to fight back....and some got kills as well as pictures....


    Here's a pict of one...they called them "Photo-Joes"


    http://p38assn.org/images/p38s/photo-joe.jpg


    They also tried an experiment turning P-38s into "Bomber Leaders" where they removed the armament and built a "glass nose" for a bombardier, who was supposed to signal when the heavy bomber formation following was to drop, but they weren't very successful and withdrawn, because a lead bomber could do it just as well AND drop it's own bombs....but I wonder if what you saw at the end of WWII was one of those that was refitted with camera equipment instead....
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  7. armedandsafe

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    The point is that I've never seen another P-38 with the cockpit faired over and a pilot bubble installed on top of each engine nacelle. That was what caught my curiosity. Enough so that I asked someone at the airport about it and got chased out and the hole in the fence at the back repaired. :D

    FYI: in 1945 I was 6 years old. Didn't take much fence-hole to let me in.

    Pops
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