Plastic vs 1911

Discussion in 'Centerfire Pistols & Revolvers' started by Wideboy04, Feb 20, 2006.

  1. Midnite Rider

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    The 1911 got the US thru several wars along with John Moses Brownings other works of absolute GENIUS,without JMB we may well have lost WW II,and we had Sam Colts "potato digger" before the 1917 .30 BMG.I'm busily working on pissing off 1/4 of the worlds population and after it gets out that the SEAL team that wacked bin hiding was using SBGO I'm sure it'll be more than 1/4.My bedside weapons are my 1911 and my 12 loaded with 3" 000 BUCK and slugs.My carry is my 1911.
    No plastic for me,if by some chance I should run dry I want a good club,not something by Mattel.
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  2. jack404

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    Folks , a awful long time ago i had need to use my side arm a browning HP 9mm

    not a great experience,

    i've never needed to use the 1911 i got later , but never worried it would be a repeat of the 9mm experience

    no contest

    while the plastics may handle all that , and do for many

    i like steel , its comforting , i know it and its what i choose for me

    what you choose for you is your call .. each to their own
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  3. RMT

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    I like them both!
  4. Double D

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    Many years of debate. But, if someone set two brand new glocks in front of me and one nice 1911 and said choose the two or take the one, I would take the 1911 every time. I would not spend my hard earned money on a glock. But that is what makes the world go round. Like what was already posted, 1911s got us thru 80 years of military service and that speaks volumes...
  5. Hawg

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    I've never liked Glocks. Had handled a few but never fired one. A model 30 in .45 ACP came up and I decided to give it an honest shot. I dislike them more than ever now. I traded it for a 1911.
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    Glocks made by mattel... HA I love it!
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    I don't have either, but would like to get a 1911 one day. I have no desire to own a Glock. Its ugly, made of plastic and I don't think that little trigger thingy is very safe. Did I mention it is ugly?

    The 1911 design HAS been improved since its creation. They added a safety / decocker and DA first shot capability. That is the design most modern autoloaders are built with. Except Glock of course (which is really ugly).

    I would much prefer a Sig (I confess, mine has plastic grips!) or a Ruger P series, etc. over a Glock (I would even take a Taurus first!). They are much better looking.

    If you want a manhood extension, the bulkiness of the Glock makes it look much bigger, so I think it will work better in that department. Even though it is ugly.

    Besides, Glocks are ugly, and that is enough reason for me not to get one.:D
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    This whole "plastic" thing is highly amusing. How someone can knock Glocks for having plastic, then strap themselves in a modern car/truck and drive 65 mph, avoiding hundreds of head on collisions by a couple of feet each day is beyond me.

    In your car/truck, you are completely surrounded by plastic. Plastic interior, plastic dash, plastic bumper, plastic grille, plastic engine parts, plastic brake parts....some cars even have plastic body panels. The parts to pay close attention to are the plastic bumper and plastic body panels.....these are plastic outer coatings or coverings with steel structure underneath....ever REALLY pay attention to how Glocks are constructed?

    And for those of us who ride motorcycles, what do you rely on to save your grape? Try riding around with a steel helmet. Too heavy you say? You may be on to something.:)

    BTW, I know this argument seems wierd from a person named "slabsides", but I like all kinds of guns. Each has different strengths and weaknesses. 1911s are beautiful and dependable. Glocks are not as beautiful but they are damn dependable. A 1911 is what I show my friends, a Glock is what I show my enemies.
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  9. hogger129

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    Well I assume when we say "plastic" we're talking about Glock.

    -The average 1911 is typically more accurate than the best Glock (a lot of that is due to the 1911s single-action trigger)
    -The 1911 has 100 years of history behind it - it served the US military for years and some parts of the US military still use the old rattlebox Colts
    -The 1911 is better when you talk about individuality and customization (every Glock looks the same and you really can't change the outward appearance much like you can with a 1911)
    -The 1911 can be tuned tighter to achieve more accuracy
    -One of the things that makes the 1911 so accurate is its trigger
    -It has a slim grip so it can be easily concealed
    -Natural point of aim

    Glock and some of these other polymer-framed pistols beat the 1911 is when you talk about weight and ammunition capacity. Some people also are not comfortable carrying the "cocked and locked" 1911 and opt for the "Safe Action" trigger of the Glock. 1911s are also more picky about ammunition than a gun like a Glock. It happens more often on the tightly tuned, more competition oriented 1911s. The Glock can also be had in a wider variety of calibers, whereas you have to look harder and pay more for 1911s like that.

    What do I like better? I like the 1911. If I were a patrol officer where I had to carry a sidearm 8 hours a day 5 days a week, then I would probably want something that can carry more ammunition, that is lighter and easier to haul around like a Glock.


    To me, it's like the old 7.62x51 vs. 5.56x45 debate. The larger round will drop the target faster, but the smaller rounds allow you to carry more ammunition.
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  10. hogger129

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    I shot the Glock 30 also and it could hold a good group, but all the Glocks I've tried have shot high. I'm not a big fan of their trigger either. I'm just not comfortable with having no other external safety other than on the trigger. At least the XD adds in the grip safety. I also feel like Glock has a very light trigger. That said, it's a well-made gun, but it's just not for me.
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    Just noticed this was an old revived thread.
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    Winner of Best Analogy Award. Heh, well said! :D
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    I live in Arizona, what's a "helmet"??? As for the Plastic vs. 1911, each has it's pro's & con's, nothings perfect. I like them all because I'm a gun lover, and I've had nothing but good experience with Colt 1911, Browning, Sig, Walther, and Glock. With over 50 years of shooting and carry, I end up with my XDM .45 and would never go back. Works for me, that's what counts.
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  15. Boris

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    Lots of funny and good stuff here.

    skin a steel smokewagon when it is -13F out and get back to me. A glock wont be so cold you feel the cold all the way down to your bones. Done it with metal and nylon66 (not plastic as yall say). Way more comfy with a Glock.

    Right now my 9mm framed 45 caliber G37 is the most accurate box stock pistol I have owned, even the two 1911s I gaveup on.

    I like both though. My XD9 and G37 are still my first pics.
  16. Slabsides

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    1. Helmet laws suck.

    2. Exactly! One should carry and shoot whatever they like. I live with a Glock 23 on my side. It is riding inside my waistband as I type this. I simply like them better than XDs, but I would never trash talk one. They are both excellent handguns. Comparing Glocks to XDs or 1911s or Rugers or whatever is like arguing who makes the best vehicle. Its kind of silly when you think about it.
  17. PanhandlePop

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    I have Glocks and 1911s, they all have a purpose.
  18. happyskeeter

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    Wideboy04 - I used to agree with you and as far as "pride of ownership" goes my Gunsite CCO or bright stainless Delta Elite leave the Glock in the dust.
    Having owned many 1911's over the years I can say from my personal experience that about half of them were totally "Glock" reliable out of the box. The rest had to be worked on or sold.
    When in the 80's I shot a friends new Glock I was surprised I could not get it to FTF by limp wristing it or any other means and it was as accurate as my tuned 1911's. That is when I bought my first of several Glocks. I started with several G23's, then a G27 and finally to back up the Delta Elite a 10mm G29SF. In many thousands of rounds in these Glocks I never had even ONE failure to fire or jam. Recently boating on the Colorado I took an unexpected swim with my G29SF. Later I just let the sun dry it and never had any rust or other problem with it.
    I think the Glock may be more reliable than the 1911 because the barrel tilts up more in line with the cartridge in the magazine for a direct feed into the chamber.
    You have to give Glock credit in that their standards, unlike Colt, Sig, S&W, etc) have reminded high they do not use MIM parts like the others. The first thing I did with my Delta Elite was replace all the MIM parts (disconnector, sear,etc) with tool steel. My Gunsite CCO was a limited production run ordered by Gunsite and they specfied Chip McCormick tool steel parts to replace all MIM parts because their guns were meant to be shot, same reason the Remington 870 Police models use NO MIM parts where as the non Police models use several MIM parts as well as plastic trigger guards.
    I do agree that for a thing of beauty and a true classic at 100 years old nothing compares to the 1911 but as a tool I would rather drop my Glock than a 1911.
    If I had to trust my life on a new, unfired, out of the box Glock or 1911 I would go with the Glock. That is what is called progress. Sure the old 427 1967 Corvette was a beast but my 2002 Z06 ( I really like plastic, plastic body, plastic springs )with all of its emissions is so much more of a car. That is progress.

    Hogger129 - Having fired many Glocks and 1911's( I put myself through school working part time for Lesile Edelman's firearms on Long Island) I never found that 1911's could ever compare with the accuracy of a stock Glock.

    If I could have only one gun it would be my custom tuned BSS Delta Elite.

    One important thing so far not mentioned is that nothing is faster than a 1911 on the first shot. The Glock is slightly slowly due to its slightly longer trigger pull but not by a whole lot.

    Colt_1911 -- What is stronger the metal bullet or the plastic bullet proof vest? The leaf spring on the new Corvettes are much stronger than the metal ones they replaced. They have triple the fatigue rate of the metal ones.
  19. hogger129

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    The only ways a "plastic" gun beats out the 1911 is the fact that they hold more rounds in a standard magazine and weigh less. It's all opinion really. Someone may prefer a lightweight gun that holds 15 rounds and isn't very expensive. Another person may prefer something they know is built solid, has a better trigger and that they can customize more. Both designs have their advantages and disadvantages for certain uses.
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