Please help identify and value a pair antique pistols

Discussion in 'The Ask the Pros & What's It Worth? Forum' started by dmerz2, Nov 24, 2012.

  1. dmerz2

    dmerz2 New Member

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    Nov 24, 2012
    This pair of antique pistols has been called dueling pistols by some and target pistols by others. Each pistol is 16 inches long and 7 inches high with a 9 1/2 inch barrel. The guns are numbered "1" and "2". Inscribed on the top of the barrel is: Fr. Jaeger Hofbuchenmachen Wiesbaden. On one side of the barrel is inscribed "Guss" and on the other side "Stahl". I think he caliber is .36

    Please help identify and value these pieces. Thanks, in advance, for any and all information. Doug

    PS: I several more pics but only 4 were allowed.
     

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  2. deadin

    deadin Well-Known Member

    May 16, 2006
    Are they rifled or smoothbore?
     

  3. dmerz2

    dmerz2 New Member

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    Nov 24, 2012
    I am not a gun expert - I think they are smoothbore.
     

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  4. hrf

    hrf Well-Known Member

    Apr 1, 2008
    Very nice rifled target pistols; Guss Stahl = cast steel.

    The rear sight appears to have adjustable elevation.
     
  5. Jim K

    Jim K New Member

    Dec 6, 2009
    A beautiful pair of pistols and refreshingly plain for that era. A Google search turned up other guns by Fr. (Franz?) Jaeger, most very elaborately engraved and inlaid.

    "Hofb├╝chsenmacher" means gun maker to the court, presumably at that time (c. 1840-1850) the court of the Duke of Nassau whose seat was at Wiesbaden. That does not mean that the guns were made for the Duke (it is like the British "By Appointment To..."), and the guns' plainness indicates they were made for someone far less wealthy than they Duke of Nassau.

    Wiesbaden is in the south of Germany, near Frankfurt am Main, and is (or was) the site of a large U.S. Army installation.

    I don't think they are duelling pistols, because true duellers would be smoothbore and have no sights or only a front sight. I would call them high quality target pistols. The pistols are certainly German with something of the French influence. I would value the pair at around $4000, much more if there is a case with accessories.

    Jim
     
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  6. dmerz2

    dmerz2 New Member

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    Nov 24, 2012
    Thanks, very much, to Jim K & hrf for their informative comments. I would appreciate any additional comments or valuations. I will probably try to sell these pistols. DBM
     
  7. hrf

    hrf Well-Known Member

    Apr 1, 2008
    If you plan to sell them, my suggestion for appraisal and exposure would be one of the large gun auctions, such as Rock Island in IL, Amoskeag in NH, or Bonhams in CA.
     
  8. Jim K

    Jim K New Member

    Dec 6, 2009
    If you do decide to auction them, we would appreciate knowing what you get for them.

    Jim
     
  9. dmerz2

    dmerz2 New Member

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    Nov 24, 2012
    Jim K & hrf,

    In your opinion, which of the three actions mentioned would be best for my pistols? Thanks for your thoughts. DBM
     
  10. rhmc24

    rhmc24 Active Member

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    Dec 1, 2010
    Ardmore, OK
    For comparison is a similar pair, but duelling pistols, from collectorsfirearm.com. Arguably the largest dealer in collectible guns - and for sure up there in pricing. Like a few others, you pay for the confidence you gain in dealing with a merchant of EXE repute.

    http://www.collectorsfirearms.com/pair-of-belgian-made-dueling-pistols-ah3153/

    If this doesn't bring up the pictures, go to-- collectorsfirearms.com --and find it with all their perc pistols.
     
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  11. musketshooter

    musketshooter New Member

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    Apr 5, 2007
    Montana
    I believe they came from a boxed set of dueling pistols. If they had the box, they would be worth several thousand. Without it, about $1500.
     
  12. RJay

    RJay Well-Known Member

    Feb 22, 2004
    Goodyear, Arizona
    Maybe 1500 each.
     
  13. dmerz2

    dmerz2 New Member

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    Nov 24, 2012
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by hrf
    If you plan to sell them, my suggestion for appraisal and exposure would be one of the large gun auctions, such as Rock Island in IL, Amoskeag in NH, or Bonhams in CA.
    Jim K & hrf,

    In your opinion, which of the three actions mentioned would be best for my pistols? Thanks for your thoughts. DBM
     
  14. hrf

    hrf Well-Known Member

    Apr 1, 2008
    I listed those three to cover midwest and both coasts, but have no direct experience with them.

    However, I'm impressed by Rock Island's marketing.
     
  15. rhmc24

    rhmc24 Active Member

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    Dec 1, 2010
    Ardmore, OK
    Rock Island paid me for a part missing from one of their guns I bought. Some of the others won't even discuss issues.
     
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