Possesion of Firearms in Vehicles

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  1. berto64

    berto64 Active Member

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    Just got this from NRA. If this should pass in Florida, where will it stop? I can see it going to all the other states.



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    Attention Florida NRA Members!

    SB-206 Protect Possession of Firearms in Vehicles in Parking Lots

    Every gun owner who lives in Florida or comes to Florida as a tourist or visitor or on business needs to join this fight to protect the right to have a firearm in vehicles for lawful purposes. This right belongs to ALL gun owners everywhere -- not just those who live in Florida. Please forward this email to others on your email list. Spread the word.

    URGENT-- MORE ACTION NEEDED*** /Possession/Guns/Private Vehicles

    DATE: March 3, 2006
    TO: USF & NRA Members and Friends
    FROM: Marion P. Hammer
    NRA Past President
    Executive Director Unified Sportsmen of Florida

    SUBJECT: SB-206 Protect Possession of Firearms in Vehicles in Parking Lots

    The Senate Criminal Justice Committee will hold another hearing on SB-206 by Senator Durell Peaden Wednesday, March 8, 2006.

    Some Florida businesses, lead by the Florida Chamber of Commerce and the Florida Retail Federation, are trying to ban guns in cars. They are violating the constitutional rights of gun owners and Florida law.

    SB-206 protects your right to have a gun in your vehicle (car, truck, minivan, sports utility vehicle, motorcycle, motor home, RV, etc.) for lawful purposes.

    The Florida Chamber of Commerce and the Florida Retail Federation have decided to trample privacy rights and the Second Amendment rights of Florida's 6 Million law-abiding firearms owners.

    Urged into battle by Publix Super Markets, Disney World, and other big corporations, they have engaged in a campaign to try to kill the bill that protects your right to protect yourself and your family.

    They want to ban guns by denying your right to have a firearm in your private vehicle when you park in a parking lot that accommodates the public and company employees.

    Your right to have a gun in your car is GUTTED if you can never stop and park your car in a parking lot.

    Big business is trying to claim their rights as parking lot owners supersede your constitutional right and legal right to carry firearms in your private vehicles for lawful purposes. But they are wrong.

    They have no constitutional or legal right to search your vehicle or tell you what legal personal private property you can have inside your private vehicle in their parking lot or anywhere else.

    Our constitutional and legal rights DO NOT END when we drive into a parking lot.

    Carrying firearms in a vehicle obviously means you can leave that firearm locked in the vehicle in a parking lot when you go grocery shopping, to the doctor's office, to the movie, to visit a sick friend in the hospital, to the dry cleaners, to the shoe store or anywhere else normal people travel.

    THIS ISSUE is much bigger than parking lots. The issue is carrying a firearm in your private vehicle for protection of yourself and your family when you are traveling to and from work, to and from shopping and to and from any place law-abiding citizens normally go in the course of daily routines.

    The Florida Chamber of Commerce and the Florida Retail Federation along with the national antigun organization called the BRADY CAMPAIGN are emailing committee members urging them to vote against SB-206.

    YOU NEED TO ACT NOW to counter this antigun attack on your Second Amendment and self-defense rights.

    Please immediately send email to members of the Senate Criminal Justice Committee and URGE THEM TO SUPPORT SB-206 by Senator Peaden.

    (Below is a list of the email addresses of those you need to contact)

    IN THE SUBJECT LINE OF YOUR EMAIL PUT:

    SUPPORT SB-206 - Protect Possession of Firearms in Vehicles/Parking Lots

    (To send one email to all committee members at the same time, block or highlight the entire list and then copy and paste the block into the address section of the email.)

    SENATE CRIMINAL JUSTICE COMMITTEE MEMBERS AND SENATE LEADERS WHO NEED TO HEAR FROM YOU:

    wise.stephen.web@flsenate.gov
    smith.rod.web@flsenate.gov
    crist.victor.web@flsenate.gov
    haridopolos.mike.web@flsenate.gov
    king.james.web@flsenate.gov
    klein.ron.web@flsenate.gov
    lynn.evelyn.web@flsenate.gov
    wilson.frederica.web@flsenate.gov
    lee.tom.web@flsenate.gov
    peaden.durell.web@flsenate.gov
    pruitt.ken.web@flsenate.gov
    villalobos.alex.web@flsenate.gov
    webster.daniel.web@flsenate.gov

    PLEASE SEND EMAIL IMMEDIATELY AND URGE THEM TO SUPPORT SB-206 by Senator Durell Peaden

    ADDITIONAL BACKGROUND:

    SB-206 Protects your right to have a firearm in your vehicle for lawful purposes and to park your vehicle in parking lots.

    Think about the women, who work late hours at Disney World and don't get off until close to midnight. She needs her gun for protection when she is traveling late at night.

    But Disney will fire her if she exercises her right to have a gun in her vehicle for protection.

    The many women and Moms who work late at night as cashiers and stock personnel at Publix Super Markets will lose their jobs if they want to protect their lives.

    What about the women AND men who work at all-night pharmacies, or Walmart stores or convenience stores, or what about nurses or lab technicians who work late shifts and have to drive to and from work through dangerous areas late at night? Are their lives not important?

    Think about a woman who is being stalked or who has to get a domestic violence injunction against an abuser. Police often tell these women to get a gun for protection because police can't be there to protect them.

    But her anti-gun employer tells her if she brings a gun to work in her car for protection she'll be fired. She must chose between her life or her job.

    This violation of rights and the law MUST BE STOPPED.

    Carrying firearms in a vehicle for hunting, target shooting or protection of yourself and your family obviously means you can leave that firearm locked in the vehicle in a parking lot when you go grocery shopping, to the doctor's office, to the movie, to visit a sick friend in the hospital, to rent a movie, to the shoe store or anywhere else normal people travel to conduct business.

    Florida law, the U.S. Constitution, and the Florida Constitution clearly and unequivocally give law-abiding citizens to have firearms in their vehicles for lawful purposes.

    Since there are CURRENTLY NO PENALTIES for violating the law, numerous businesses are violating the law and are banning firearms in their parking lots. Their gun ban policies apply to customers and employees.

    A business owner or manager has no more right to say you can't have a firearm in your private vehicle than they have a right to say you can't have a pair of sun glasses, an umbrella, a Bible or a baby seat.

    Such an anti-gun political exercise is not good business sense. They want your money but don't respect your rights.

    Businesses are not allowed to discriminate against employees and customers because of race, religion, political party, color of eyes, hair or weight. And they certainly can't discriminate because of the exercise of lawful self-defense. And, make no mistake, these gun ban policies are blatant discrimination against people who chose to exercise a constitutional right and take responsibility for their own safety.
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  3. polishshooter

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    Yeah, we all need to fight it for you, but it WON'T go to ALL states, there ARE a few "common-sense" states where that wouldn't fly, like Indiana.

    Maybe most of the BLUE states and Ohio, but not ALL of them.


    By the way, whatever happened to the lawsuit a few years ago by the husband of the woman shot in that work rampage who had her carry permit and the gun her husband bought her IN HER CAR because the company had a policy prohibiting employees possession of firearms at work? The NRA was backing it, and it was supposed to have ramifications for ANY employer that refused to allow law abiding employees to carry at work. The first decison was any employer that doesn't allow legal firearms for protection are GUARANTEEING their employees safety from any violence at work, and must pay BIG TIME if any get hurt by it at work....
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    This also reminds me of the case of AOL, in Utah I believe, not allowing firearms in there employees cars. So AOL should be on the boycott list, if you have them get another ISP!

    Thank God in New Mexico your vehicle is a conveyance of your home, therefore no employer has a right to say anything about firearms.

    I barely remember what polish is talking and have no idea what the outcome was. Let us all hope that this catches on through out the rest of the states, it's only logical.
  5. polishshooter

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    On the other hand, I WONDER if this will have any bearing on ME!

    I drive a "full use" company vehicle, and the company has a policy of "Immediate Termination for possesing a firearm on company property, including company vehicles. So I am NOT allowed to CCW in the company vehicle at any time, even though I have a permit, and the vehicle is used for my PERSONAL use too...

    Not only is this a pain when I go shooting, or to a show, I wonder IF my wife can sue if I get killed by some banger in the parking lot of some store because I fired and prosecuted his main squeeze and income for stealing and couldn't defend myself?


    I told her to TRY...


    My LAST company had the same rule, BUT they waived it for "full use" company vehicles, IF "your carrying or transporting broke no laws." We just couldn't take them into the stores. They reasoned we were to "treat them like our own cars," so if we'd carry in our own car legally, we could in them.
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  6. The company rules be damned. Your life is worth a lot more than a job, and besides, what are they gonna do, strip search you? In which case, sue 'em! As you know, I work as a college instructor and the rules there forbid anyone from actually carrying a firearm on campus, CCW or not. Interestingly, Colorado law specifically allows me to have a firearm in my vehicle on a school campus IF it is kept locked in the vehicle when unattended. And even more intestingly, the law in Colorado also forbids carrying a handgun on one's person, even with a CCW, on an elementary, middle, or high school campus. It says nothing, however, about a college campus. I, of course, would never DREAM of violating school rules against packing, which obviously prevents me from carrying my Glock. On the other hand, a Beretta 3032 in a deep concealment rig . . . :D
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    Indiana? I wouldn't be too sure. I hear on Fox News that the state is giving or selling certain state-owned highways. Sounds like what's happening in Texas. Who's to say what Constitutional rights you'll have on a highway not owned by the U.S. Government or the state? WHAT IS UP WITH THIS? Selling off our *X$^@ highways???!!! I guess we better think about where that gas tax is really going! :mad:
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    Actually, I'm FOR "leasing" the toll road...we aren't "selling" anything...

    This is kind of like the "Ports" deal, people getting all worked up over "Selling our Ports to the ARABS!" without having all the facts, (heck, most not having ANY facts!)...and the UAE Ports deal going down in flames we WILL regret, and soon, mark my WORDS!

    What the deal on leasing (JUST) the Indiana Toll Road is, a big (Yes, FOREIGN owned) corporation that buys and operates toll roads all over the world, has offered to lease the Toll Road for 75 years. They would be responsible for EVERYTHING (except law enforcement!), such as maintanence, improvements, snow removal, etc, in return for gazillions of $ NOW to the state. I can't remember the exact amount, but it wasn't chump change. And yeah, they will probably raise the toll, but the state has the right to approve it. But the money we are getting NOW is about the same amount we would have COLLECTED over 75 years, subtacting the maintenance and upkeep...

    What the state is going to use the money for is to finish I-69 from Indy to Evansville, which would then link up with the rest of it that is supposed to become another US interstate that will ultimately stretch from Michigan through Kentucky and Tennesee to Arkansas and later, Texas. Kentucky and Tennesee have existing 4 lanes they would use with minimal new construction. However, Indiana will need MAJOR construction, through some rough country, too.

    We NEED that I-69, (environmentalist wackos aside!) because now there is NO easy way from Indy to Evansville, and ALL the towns en route will be helped. Plus it may help us keep the Crane Naval Research Center open.

    The I-69 extension was passed and signed, BUT we have no money to do it! SO it was looking like it would take at least 15 years to START it.

    IF the Lease goes through, the money is earmarked for I-69, and we would be "moving dirt" within 2 years on I-69.

    The only BAD thing is they are talking about MAYBE making I-69 a toll road too, which would SUCK. (Mostly HOOSIERS would pay THOSE tolls, not like you passers-through from other states that mainly use the Toll Road... :cool: )

    And yes, I am selfish. I do a LOT of travel to Evansville (Just got back from there about an hour and a half ago!) That is the LONGEST darn 4 hour drive in the world...you either go WAY out of your way to take 4 lanes most of the way, by way of Louisville,, or take curvy, hilly, winding 2 lanes through God's Country following gypsum trucks in low gear and a bunch of little towns, your choice...

    I-69 finished to Evansville will save about an hour's drive at LEAST for me...and to other locations I have along the way too!

    And I kind of like the "creative financing" part of it too, rather than raisining our darn TAXES like most politicians would do if this was their problem...
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