pot as medicine

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  1. jack404

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    Ok this may upset some folks and get me called two faced , cause of things i've said about pot heads and such , but please allow me to go on before you judge

    been watching a couple folks i know ( met em at the oncology clinic i was attending ) and though they have survived the cancer the treatments have almost killed them after

    theres a doc here who has been giving folks pot for post cancer treatments for years and he's very contravertial as when the pot heads try to get him to prescribe it , he wont without their cancer history ( he say's its good for the treatment but not as a past time ) and i agree

    I beleive that The Good Lord gave us herbs and plants and other things as medicines and if used as such all is good , its when we abuse them they become bad

    anyway his latest efforts with the folks i know he has been treating has been amazing , sadly folks who did not choose his advise have not done so well , the comparrision is amazing , but there's little media on it except wild rubbish about pot for all . even though he is plain that he dont do that

    but he soaks pot in alchohol

    apparently the booze removes some parts of the pot and preserves the bits he wants ( THC is a water soluable oil but is broken down by alcohol somewhat )

    the effect is a mild relaxant for muscles but a stimulant for the process's of the organs and the booze give the system a small boost too

    now we are talking about a 10 -20 ml dose three times a day so a shot and a half of scotch equivalent over the day with the bits of the pot that relaxes muscles and the bits that get the organs going ( the bits that cause "the munchies" ) the bit that gets folks "stoned" is broken down so does not create as strong a stone and is equal to about 1/4 joint a day

    i'm thinking of writing the doc and ask if he has something to explain it better as most i have is third hand from his patients

    but its got me thinking of giving him a call and ask his opinion would it help me , ( i'm 8 1/2 stone as of last week )

    i've seen the change its made to "walking skeletons" as some folks call folks like us ..

    i do kniw the pain med's they give to me are too strong , the pain releif is great but the effects on the rest of me , the suppression of the immune system and organ functions caused by the sedations.. they'll kill you in the end

    so i do without as do many

    execise and being active helps recovery too , i'm proof , its not easy but you can do it ,

    i think the doc's elixar while not perfect may help with that , allowing folks to be active enough to help their bodies heal without the massive doses of pain killers normally associated with post recovery folks

    anyway monday i'm calling the guy direct to find out more had one of the folks visit me this morning to pick up some vege's and they are doing so much better , its really made me think , all the folks from that who are folling the doc are doing way better than those who aint
  2. time2shoot

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    Did'nt know you where sick Jack:(

    Hope it will work for you.
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    I'm not a pot user, but I always thought the law went a little overboard on it here. Now I have a friend who is 68, and on chemo twice a month, and a couple of hits helps him immensley with the side effects.

    Tom
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    I do good , not suffering sick , just wasting away and i eat great and been checked a million times for parasites and all

    lots of folks get this after a bit of Chemo or other radiological treatments

    is poisoning the cancer before you poison the body and with radiation thats a hard balance and its often a overdose

    LOT's of folks survive the cancer but dont survive the treatments

    i got smart early , so bailed on the chemo but still paying for the stuff i had ..

    way it goes sometimes eh .. but yeah if this can help , i'm all for it , but i'll ask the doc first , like he says it aint for every situation , so we'll see

    i'm here till the Good Lord calls , tomorrow , 2044 all the same to me

    what i really had to do is well and truely done , i'm in over kill now :)

    so yeah , "come what may " eh !
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  5. jedwil

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    I am not a doctor. And I don't claim any great medicinal knowledge. Just kind of a "if it works, use it" philosophy. I think it has been shown that pot can help in certain medical situations with pain control and other treatments. If it helps, why treat it differently from morphine, methadone, dilaudid, oxycotone, etc.
  6. cpttango30

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    Making things like pot brownies and pot chocolate is much more beneficial to people than smoking it.

    I know plenty of people who tooke up all the time and they are happy productive people.
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    I have no problem with medicinal marijuana. I have a problem with pot heads who get their 215cards because of "chronic headaches".

    If you have a "REAL" problem and it gives you some relief, smoke it, eat it, drink it whatever. Don't care.
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    Godspeed Jack; do whatever treatment you feel best will help you. In your shoes I would definitely go with the more natural approach as compared to the big pharma products. I've heard that the self dosing is much easier with the medical marijuana than with the prescription stuff. Probably costs a whole lot less too.
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    Not one person here has any business telling you or judging you on how to treat your cancer Jack. If anyone has a problem with it, they dont have any business speaking into your life anyhow. Nobody but God, you and your doctor need know your treatment methods anyhow. If that is the route your doc decides for you, more power to ya, I pray it brings you some extra relief somehow. Cheers.
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    I have chronic pains. While I take injections for "hot spots" I take Vicodin for the major areas. I also have depression so I take Zoloft. I used to be a pot smoker and it does alleviate pains and depression. When I started these medication I had to make a decision, pot or the pills. I chose the pills.

    Sure I miss the "highs" but it gets boring (I can't believe I said that) and what I learned about the side effects I made the decision. Pot stunts your mental growth. For example you started smoking pot at 15, ten years later you're still 15. Made sense to me because I started smoking pot in my 20s and I've been acting like a 20 year old for years. Today I'm probably 30-40 mentally (I'm 62).
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    Jack, one of my Halfbreed Indian Buddies up Dawson just went through Chemo for some cancer in his jaw. He has lost close to 75 lbs but is a big guy, use to be 375lb. He said the chemo & poison still is in his system and he doesn't get hungry.

    Pot isn't enforced in Alaska, people grow it and pretty open about everything. But you still have the potheads & the rest of the people who never smoke the stuff. Nobody cares, but problems occur just the same. Kids get about 13-14 and the kids from the local families that ain't raising their kids right (user crowd that works the entitlement system to the max should have their kids taken off them, not good parenting) their kids start smoking the pot and everybody sees it too. Few weeks back, the wife found bags of pot on this 11 year old girl in the school. Girl brought it to school to trade or sell or something. Wife called the mum, and she came and got the girl. See, that's the problem with the Pot, once it becomes accepted, it's hard to control it with the kids too. Nobody wants to see 13 year old kids smoking pot all day long as it is a stepping stone gateway drug.
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    The war on drugs was the biggest mistake of the Nixon administration. A lot of good people are in jail or have criminal records for life because of it. It's not the governments job to control this. It's up to you and God.

    I hope you are ok Jack. We need you around here. You are the reason I stayed on this forum. When I was a newbie you backed me up when some members thought I may be a Lib troll. I have had very few people help me in any way in life. The few that have I will have their back for as long as I live.

    Jack I will be praying that everything works out for you....
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    That's my belief too; A-dude.

    I suffer from severe chronic pain. I hate taking RX pain pills & refused a morphine pump years ago.

    I really wish medical marijuana was a choice we had here. It's not. So, I use a combination of other herb supplements, otc meds & essential oils.

    I might add, if anyone is thinking about buying street "pot" for pain or illness, DON'T!!!!

    Not only is it illegal, it's potentially deadly!

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  14. Double D

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    I too suffer daily from cronic back pain and have had 4-5 lumbar fusion and numerous epidurals and a nero stimulator implant. I do not think pot is an option for me, but, if it were, it would be between my physician and me and nobody else. Nobody understands what cancer patients endure except for cancer patients themselves. Anyone else making a judgement call would be blindly speaking out of line.
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    Ya jack, whatever helps ya is good; pain is a real pisser. My knees are gone, back L1,L2 man; don't like thinking about it. Then I see my one buddy who was wounded twice in Vietnam and the pain he is in is just unreal and I think I'm quite lucky. Vet hospital had him on some potent stuff and he lost weight and his arms got real stringy; seriously he had to get off it and he did. Just went back to drinking a case of beer a day.

    Speaking of pain killers, when I was in KOrea in early 1971, we'd get a coke can 2/3 full of smoking opium for 7 bucks, the old papa sans used the stuff for aches & pains. Put a little pot in a paper and then roll a piece of that opium the length of paper and it would burn & melt; but man it killed pain. I bet something like that would work way better and probably available in Asia.
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    Umm Fellas and ladies here is my take on ALL herbs. Our FATHER created ALL things for mans good IMO. Sooo MAN must find the GOOD purpose of all things. Tobacco is not good to smoke health wise BUT if you take a plug and stick in a wound it heals quicker. Booze us not particularly good for you in quantity (I know I have a 29 yo daughter who is booze addicted (vodka) or anything else she can get ahold of BUT she IS in AA. A glass a day of red wine IS healthy.

    We ALL have dormant cancer cells-too much refined sugar is thought to "trigger" these cells to malignant. Americans consume 600 POUNDS of white refined sugar yearly on the average. Yet if you cook or can fruits with raw brown sugar in moderation it is GOOD for the body. Honey can be made into mead which can lead to abuse of your body in quantity. BUT sweetening your food (like oatmeal) with honey is VERY good for you if it local beekeeper honey. it will reduce allergies and if put on a bandaged wound will help heal it quicker. The list goes on and on. LEARN from the original natives of the lands you live in AND you will find all kinds of valid herebal health aids. (Bet Jack when he is outback learns from or had learned from HIS bushmen.;)
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    VA gives me tramadol for pain and I only take it when the nerve damage to my left arm gets BAD. Good stuff, But for some Tramadol won't touch the pain.:)
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    Jack, will be interested to see how this turns out. Please keep us updated, if you can.
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    ok its 11:14 Pm monday as i type this its taken me the best part of 3 hours to answer all his questions that he faxed over and i gotta take some to the veterans affairs psych for them to fill in ( No PTSD )

    then i gotta attend a place in sydney to get all these tests and exam and then he'll decide if it may help

    now this is not about any real pain relief but anyone in constant pain can tell you its tiring and stresses the bits that dont hurt as you work them more ( limp etc )

    what its about is getting less pain caused stress on the rest of the system so it can heal better

    when the body is working it can do wonders this helps it get back to work

    i wont be having pot round the place either , i'll order it at the local pharmacy and they'll get it from the place that is making it for the Doc..

    15-25 milliliters a hour before meals is the range of dose

    so you wont get whacked off the booze portion ;)

    thats about it , get the forms completed during the week with a trip to sydney then back to sydney for testing and i'll know more then maybe a month or two

    thats life as a white male non gay born in Oz veteran who's paying for this non standard treatment out of his own pocket ( with a 55% rebate from my health insurance once i have the Doc's bill, but not for the medication as thats 100% non standard treatment , the tests are pretty standard so all of them are claimable or so i read just the doc's consult aint cause its for non standard treatment )

    i have a limited private insurance

    VA here covers me for my diagnosed injuries and illness attributed to my service

    the rest i pay for or have socialised medicine and wait and die waiting , or get private coverage i pay for a limited coverage pack with ambulance and some other junk

    they dont cover the cancer , pre existing condition , but as i'm working , they will help with pain relief and management where its standard accepted treatment , this aint , but may be.. one day

    Stuffs $77 a bottle and from this is about 2 weeks supply

    and thats as much as i know for now

    i'll update this when i know more
  20. tcox4freedom

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    I just put you on my prayer list jack.

    keep us posted.
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