Pre empting the obozo re Oz

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  1. jack404

    jack404 Former Guest

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    any takers on a wager ?

    Obozo will announce the formation of a US base here in Australia based in the Northern Territory ( lotsa croc's ) the base for Marines ( welcome !) is part of his strategy for handling china ...

    Communist Party of America announced it and have asked the pinko's here to protest it so it must be true eh

    most accurate news outta the white house comes via the commies ..
  2. jedwil

    jedwil Well-Known Member Supporting Member

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    I'm a bit skeptical about it as a first impression. Why would Australia want a big US military presence? With the huge deficits in the US, it could be a hard sell here, unless it's another executive order. Interesting,though. I'll think on the wager...............
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    keep the wager it'll leak this week
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    sooner ..

    http://www.theage.com.au/national/obama-to-announce-us-marine-base-in-darwin-20111110-1n9rf.html

    PRESIDENT Barack Obama is to announce that the US will begin rotating marines through an Australian base in Darwin in a permanent new military presence, intensifying the alliance in a sign of heightened concern about China.
    He is scheduled to make the announcement with Prime Minister Julia Gillard when they visit Darwin together next Thursday during Mr Obama's first visit to Australia as President.
    The 26-hour visit will mark the 60th anniversary of the ANZUS alliance.

    The marines are the chief US ground combat force in the Pacific theatre, the so-called ''tip of the spear''.
    Two-thirds of all American marines are based in the Pacific, with big concentrations at US bases on Okinawa Island, Japan, and in Guam, a US territory 2000 kilometres north of Papua New Guinea.
    ''This is all about the rise of China, the modernisation of the People's Liberation Army and, particularly, it's about the increased vulnerability of US forces in Japan and Guam to the new generation of Chinese missiles,'' said Alan Dupont, the Michael Hintze professor of international security at Sydney University.

    ''The new Chinese missiles could threaten them in a way they've never been able to before, so the US is starting to reposition them to make them less vulnerable. Australia's 'tyranny of distance' is now a distinct strategic advantage.''
    Professor Dupont, a former Australian Defence official and intelligence analyst, said the ''Australian strategic rationale is that we are also hedging against increasing Chinese military power and their capacity to destabilise maritime trade routes. And we want to get closer to the US.
    ''There's no doubt at all the Chinese will have serious reservations about this.''
    Mr Obama and Ms Gillard are not expected to argue that China is a factor in the decision. ''This is a strong gesture that even in the face of budget constraints, the US reaction to the winding down of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan deployment is not to go home but to pivot'' into the Asia-Pacific, said Jim Steinberg, former deputy secretary of state in the Obama administration.
    But Hugh White, a professor of strategic studies at the Australian National University and a former Defence Department
    official said the decision would have deep consequences for Australia's relations with China. ''I think this is a very significant and potentially very risky move for Australia,'' Professor White said.
    ''In the view from Beijing, everything the US is doing in the western Pacific is designed to bolster resistance to the Chinese challenge to US primacy.
    ''In Washington and in Beijing, this will be seen as Australia aligning itself with an American strategy to contain China.''
    Mr Obama and Ms Gillard are expected to say the US will not build a new base for the marines but will use the Robertson Barracks, the existing Australian base near Darwin.
    But the base is home to about 4500 Australian soldiers and has capacity for only a couple of hundred more.
    The facilities will need to be expanded to accommodate the US marines, whose numbers are expected to build.
    Such a decision has been under consideration for some years. The marines are to use the base for training. ''They want to be able to fly helicopters, drop out of planes and shoot at things, and you can't do that in crowded Okinawa,'' according to Mike Green, a former top Asia adviser in the George W. Bush administration.
    The Greens oppose any expansion of the US military presence in Australia. By using an existing Australian base rather than building a new US one, the Pentagon considers the new presence will be more ''politically sustainable''.
    The then US defence secretary, Robert Gates, said last November in Melbourne: ''We don't want to do things that would be politically difficult for the Australian government. We want to enhance the alliance, not create controversy.''





    socialist/pinko discussion here

    http://theconversation.edu.au/is-a-us-marine-base-in-darwin-really-a-good-idea-4260

    they knew a couple weeks ago ...
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  5. permafrost

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    I think it's great! Having a base where we are looked on(for the most part) as friends is always a good idea. I can't believe Obama would ever make a good strategic move such as this. It ain't in his makeup. I hope it happens . We share a common bond with Australia. Stupid England sent away or lost all her best people to the US and Australia.:D
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    Happy to take em out so they can get a deer or goatie or the odd jihadi . ;) it's all good
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    lotsa Buff and pig hunting up north too , they'll have a ball ..
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    It's kind of astonishing that the Obama administration would proceed with anything that opposes the Communist butchers in Beijing.

    Please keep us posted on developments - I haven't heard anything from the MSM on this side of the pond.
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    http://www.smh.com.au/national/greens-fury-at-us-buildup-20111111-1nbs6.html

    Greens fury at US build-up

    THE expanded American military presence in Australia - to be formally announced next week by the US President, Barack Obama - will result in vastly more US ships, planes and soldiers visiting and being stationed in the nation's north, the government says.
    As the government all but confirmed yesterday's Herald report that US Marines and materiel would be shifted to Darwin, the Greens said the move would annoy Australia's neighbours, including China, and make the nation a bigger military target.
    The Greens leader, Bob Brown, said he would make his concerns known to Mr Obama next week in the unlikely event he was granted a meeting with him. Otherwise Senator Brown planned to ring the US embassy to complain.

    The Foreign Minister, Kevin Rudd, attacked the Greens, whose platform opposes foreign military bases.
    ''The Green party does not direct Australia's national security policy, the Green party does not direct Australia's foreign policy,'' Mr Rudd said from Hawaii, where he is attending the Asia-Pacific Economic Co-operation summit.

    but the red head who stabbed Rudd in the back and who is now PM says different , just quietly , whatever the greens want , they'll get


    Mr Rudd played down concerns expressed by some defence analysts, such as Professor Hugh White, that the increased US presence might antagonise China. Mr Rudd said Australia had always been transparent about the importance of its alliance with the US.
    With Australia's vast coastline and small population, ''it has always made national security sense for Australia to have a strong strategic alliance with the United States''. This had long had the overwhelming support of the Australian people, he said.
    When Mr Obama visits Darwin on Thursday, after addressing a joint sitting of Parliament, he will announce the US will rotate Marines through an Australian military base there. It is expected the existing Robertson Barracks near Darwin will be expanded.
    The Defence Minister, Stephen Smith, prepared the ground for the announcement in a Remembrance Day speech in Perth yesterday.
    ''The US considers its engagement in south-east Asia to be an increasingly important strategic priority in the Asia-Pacific given the region's location between the Pacific and Indian Oceans, its proximity to vital strategic sea lanes and increased great power interest in the area,'' he said.
    Mr Smith said a joint announcement about military co-operation would be made during Mr Obama's visit, which ''will continue to ensure that the alliance strengthens security and stability for Australia and the United States and our region well into the future''.
    More visits, training and exercises would be discussed.
    The opposition foreign affairs spokeswoman, Julie Bishop, said the Coalition supported an expanded US military presence. As well as benefiting security it would provide extra resources in the region for natural disaster relief, she said.
    Senator Brown said Parliament should debate any increased US presence before it was announced. ''We have a very good relationship with the US and we want to maintain that but we also depend on a good relationship with our neighbours.
    ''China has nuclear weapons that can be lobbed on Australia.''
    Donna Jackson, of the Larrakia people, the traditional custodians of the Darwin region, expressed concerns about the impact of war games on the environment and said her people should be consulted.

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    Donna jackson has sold her people out for socialist ideals a few times now

    she's ok so the rest dont matter ( her words)

    so as you can see the socialists dont want it , the government here does , the people have said yes

    so the greens will get it blocked and we'll get no-where again

    thats life with socialists
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  10. raven818

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    I doubt seriously that the thought ever occurred to him personally. Brazil was more in line with his way of thinking. The tree huggers just killed 20,000 US jobs by ordering him to kill the pipe-line.
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    Yeah, I hear you. The number of jobs lost being reported today was a low of 250,000 and a high of 500,000. But he kills it so we can still be dependant on Saudi oil! Environmental impact, don't you know! Much more important than national security!
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    Yes, but he saved or created 400k, or uh, uh. hmmm. :eek:
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    16 November 2011 Last updated at 05:52 ET
    Obama visit: Australia agrees US Marine deployment plan

    Australia has agreed to host a full US Marine task force in the coming years, Prime Minister Julia Gillard has announced at a news conference with US President Barack Obama in Canberra.



    She said about 250 US Marines would arrive next year, eventually being built up to 2,500 personnel.



    The deployment is being seen as a move to counter China's growing influence.



    But Mr Obama said the US was "stepping up its commitment to the entire Asia-Pacific", not excluding China.



    "The main message that I've said, not only publicly but also privately to China, is that with their rise comes increased responsibility," he said.



    "It is important for them to play by the rules of the road."



    Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Liu Weimin questioned whether the move was in keeping with the region's peaceful development.



    "It may not be quite appropriate to intensify and expand military alliances and may not be in the interest of countries within this region," he was quoted as saying by AFP news agency.



    The Global Times, a newspaper produced by the Communist Party-controlled People's Daily group, has been much more bellicose, says the BBC's Damian Grammaticas in Beijing.



    An editorial warned it was "certain" that if "Australia uses its military bases to help the US harm Chinese interests, then Australia itself will be caught in the crossfire".



    Luo Yuan, a senior officer at the People's Liberation Army's Academy of Military Sciences told the paper that while neither the US or China wanted to start a war, "if China's core interests such as its sovereignty, national security and unity are intruded on, a military conflict will be unavoidable".



    Alliance honoured



    The US president flew into Canberra from this weekend's Asia-Pacific Economic Co-operation (Apec) forum in Honolulu.



    The visit comes as the two countries mark a 60-year security alliance.



    Ms Gillard said about 250 Marines would be deployed on a rotational basis in northern Australia from next year.



    "Australia will welcome deployments of a company-size rotation of 200 to 250 Marines in the Northern Territory for around six months at a time," she said.



    "Over a number of years we intend to build on this relationship in a staged way to a full force of around 2,500 personnel, that is a full Marine air-ground task force."



    Analysts said the deployment was the biggest in Australia since World War II.



    Mr Obama said the deployment would allow the US to "meet the demands of a lot of partners in the region" in terms of training, exercises and "security architecture".



    Later in his visit the US leader is due to visit a memorial in Darwin to honour US and Australian soldiers killed during World War II.



    After his stop in Darwin, Mr Obama flies to Indonesia for a summit of Asian leaders.
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    but he did not haver time to meet any diggers but he did meet some slag from OCCUPY and of course the red head socialists boss who happens to be Pm through a act of lying and backstabbing
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