Primer shortage?

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  1. RedPepper2

    RedPepper2 New Member

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    Does anyone have any word on the reason for our primer shortage and does anyone have an estimate as to the length of our shortage?
  2. Insulation Tim

    Insulation Tim Well-Known Member Supporting Member

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    I'm starting to find them a little more readily available. You can't be choosy about the mfgr. though.
  3. woolleyworm

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    Just got back from the show here in Waco; rifle primers were plentiful and at $42-$45 per 1k, not too too unreasonably priced. Small amount of SPP and didn't see any LPP at all. I also noticed that the local shop had a decent supply of Rifle as well, but no pistol at all. They had about 30-35k worth of various rifle primers on the shelf.
    Seemed that prices overall at the gun show were much more reasonable than the last few. Actually some good deals to be had; I found factory Sig 30rnd AR mags 2pk for $30 after tax.
  4. Lotsdragon

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    Just havent run into the shortage around here, went to grafs a few weeks back and he had a large supply but a sign limiting to 500 per size.
  5. LDBennett

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    $42 to $45 for 1000!!!! That's ridiculous. The list price is not that high.

    I remember when you could get 1000 primers at gun shows for $18 about 18 months ago. I see them now for about $30 and I get them through my supplier for $24.

    Why the shortage? Because everyone is hoarding them or buying them up and selling them for $42 to $45. Once it was clear that Obama was going to or had won, the rush to buy anything gun started and it has not stopped yet. Once the liberal DEMs and Obama ram through health care reform, cap and trade, and any other liberal socialistic program they can think of, they will start on guns. The new approach is control the ammo and you control the guns. CA has started with handgun ammo with a 50 rounds per month purchase limit and a tracking system for sales of handgun ammo to take effect next July.

    There will have to be a "change you can believe in" back to normal with a change of the legislature and the presidency for this shortage to subside. I once thought there would be a saturation point but I am beginning to think people will still hoard away the ammo, buy more guns, and buy reloading equipment and components till it hurts, just to be sure they don't get legislated out of gun shooting and ownership.

    Folks, I think it is going to get worse before it gets better! But that's just my opinion and yours may be different. Watching the support by the public go way down for these liberals with their liberal agenda and them not even wincing at the lack of support tells me they will keep forcing liberalism on the USA until they are out of office, regardless what voters want. Their attitude is the liberals know better what is good for the unwashed masses than the unwashed masses know. This is their "time in the sun" and they are going to "make hay while the sun shines".

    The only hope is the Supreme court cases now under consideration. Will it thwart a city's or states control of gun ownership and ammo? Who knows but we can only hope. These stupid Supreme Court cases are so pointed that it seems almost every citizen has to file his own case to get real justice under the Constitution.

    So much for optimism on gun things.

    LDBennett
  6. woolleyworm

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    By the time I get them from Natchez, Midway or wherever else I may happen to find them; I'm usually at around $37-40 per 1k on a 5k order. I agree 100% that it's still too stinking high, but it is still better than the $60-$80 per 1k that i have seen from ****** and previous shows. Many of the local shops that have had primers were at $5-7 per 100 and limiting to 100 only for quite awhile. I just didn't feel like the sellers at yesterdays' show were gouging heavily on the primers. A ridiculous price in comparison to early 2008? Yes, indeed, but these are the times at hand.

    Would love to find 20k of primers for $24/k !
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  7. JLA

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    I have exactly 461 small rifle primers left after reprimimg all my .223 brass this morning. I need to find some quick because I refuse to stop shooting...
  8. Duckboats

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    We have some here in Omaha, but that's a hell of a drive for primers...sorry.
  9. JohnTheCalifornian

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    Midway had some small rifle magnum primers available last I looked which was just a couple hours ago.
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    I put in an order for 10K to graf&sons, backordered as usual, so aint no tellin how long itll be:(
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    How long? I waited 7 months. But got plenty now.

    The next hurdle is the newest Californina law just passed for enactment in 7/2010 that limits handgun ammo purchases to 50 rounds a month. While that is not a problem for centerfire, as I reload and have plenty of everything, it is a huge problem for 22LR. I'm stocking up! This shortage it seems will never end. The latest gun grabber trick is to get the ammo. You can have all the guns you want, it seems, just no ammo. As California goes, so goes the nation, I would bet.

    LDBennett
  12. fprefect

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    The reason? Probably one of many, but a very small few who were convinced that our government (headed by a gun czar appointed by Obama) was going to make an attempt to stop shooters from reloading ammunitions could ( and correctly so) attempt to disrupt the supply of primers. (without primers there would be no need to disrupt the supply of other components)

    With this thought in mind, some reloaders began to buy and stockpile enough primers that would last the average shooter 10 lifetimes, and as a result others afraid that the supply of primers were "drying up", joined the bandwagon and began to to "hoard" primers as well.

    The net result, primer manufacturers had a 3 - 6 month backlog of orders. And who was hurt by this blatantly ignorant behavior? Everyone who enjoys shooting and hunting as a sport as well as retailers and range operators who had no inventory and no one with enough ammunition to visit their local range and participate in their sport.

    Is it getting better? Definitely yes. As with each passing day it becomes more evident that our economy is NOT headed for some disastrous collapse, many hoarders have decided that making the car and mortgage payments while spending hundreds or in many cases thousands of dollars hoarding not only primers but other reloading components as well, is going to wreck the family budget, have either stopped buying, or in some cases have begun to sell some of their $10,000 in reloading supplies in order to eat. That is of course a bit of an exaggeration, but things are moving in that direction and from talking to many suppliers who are seeing things beginning to "get better" as far as being able to acquire supplies, I would expect the worse is over and within a couple of months we should begin to see things returning to "normal".

    Time will tell.

    F. Prefect
  13. JLA

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    dammit I hope so... Had a bit of a surprise today at the gunshop, was returning some guns I had out for repair to the shop for the owners to pick up. I got there just as the UPS man was leaving and when I got inside Stu was putting case after case on the shelf, both winchester and CCI, sp, lp, lr and sr in both standard and magnum designation. I snagged 1000 spm to keep me going til my backorder clears. I aint gonna hoarding up all the primers at the shop tho, he wants 40 bucks a case + tax, I can get em cheaper but only cuz I do gun work for him. but my cost per case is still more than a bulk order from grafs even after hazmat... so i just procured enough to tide me over;)
  14. vonnieglen

    vonnieglen New Member

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    I have enough powder, primers and brass to hold me for a while, but personally I am not seeing much of an easing in this primer/ammo shortage in Washington State or on the internet. The price of certain guns has come down a bit which is a hopeful sign. I am going to a gun show this weekend, mostly because I am curious about the reloading supply situation.
  15. JohnTheCalifornian

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    Gun show here in Bakersfield was disappointing by way of reloading componets. One vendor had a large supply of primers of all types and sizes, so I was able to get what I needed. Plenty of guns and other trinkets, but really no dies, presses, books, or powders to speak of.
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