Primers

Discussion in 'The Ammo & Reloading Forum' started by AR guy, Nov 24, 2012.

  1. AR guy

    AR guy Member

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    Where I get my loading supplies they are all out of small pistol primers. I'm new to the game still so my recipes call for small pistol primers for 9mm. Can you substitute those for small pistol primers magnum? For instance the recipes call for cci 500 can I use cci 550 or Winchester small pistol can you substitute and use wspm? I know that the magnums are hotter but ill they have the same effect. Or do you back off on powder a bit to balance the load?
  2. steve4102

    steve4102 Former Guest

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    Yes, just start your load development all over again from the published minimum and work up.
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  3. mikld

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    +1. Standard operating proceedure...
  4. PanhandlePop

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    Note above comments. In general, it won't be a problem, but approach max loads with great care. Mag primers will create a little greater pressure than the same load with a std primer.
  5. ozo

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    What ????

    Does the data you use call for the use of MAGNUM primers?
    Use the recipe....and only the recipe.
    Do you know the difference between the two?
    If not, it's a good time to learn...before continuing.....

    Damn, I almost said too much. :( [again]
  6. 312shooter

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    I have loaded thousands of cartriges with magnum primers without issue. As with anything use common sense. With primer shortages becoming prevolent, magnums are often all that remains on the shelf and I've never missed a range day because I was afraid to develop a magnum primer load. Then again, maybe this little secret should remain in the hands of the few.
  7. RAJBCPA

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    ...get used to the supply shortage... I have not been able to buy SPP locally for months...
  8. soundguy

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    i notice S&B is now selling SM p/r primers for about same price as tula / wolf.

    IF you can find ANY of them.

    I wanted a case of 'anything' but can't find a case of LRP anywhere locally...
  9. dbach

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    CCI #500 Small Pistol - $26.00/1000
    Remington Small Pistol Primers - $30.00/1000
    Tula Small Pistol Primers - $19.60/1000

    Probably much better that LGS prices. I know it's better pricing than I can get locally. Local prices are about $28 to $35 dollars per 1000. Then I have to pay sales tax at .0825. Then there's always the gas and time involved, the nearest gun shop to me is 25 miles away so, 12.5mpg means I'd use 4 gallons of gas to make the trip. Gas is currently $3.03/gallon. So I'd burn $12.12 in gas. Figure your actual cost and compare to that to Powder Valley, and other vendors like them, mail order is a hell of a deal.

    Hazmat charges will apply, but its a wash. If you buy in bulk you can actually save money. I have never used Tula primers, but from what I have read and hear, they're as good as any.

    Of course a trip to the local gun store is fun too, I do enjoy window shopping. Support for local business is good too.

    Primers are available. Use whatever resource you need, The sky is not falling.

    OCYMMV
  10. soundguy

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    i may have to break down and buy some tula online...
  11. Throckmorton

    Throckmorton New Member

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    I never shoot max loads,and have shot thousands of rounds using either sp or spm primers.I shoot 'minute of steel plate',so super accuracy is not a concern.If super accuracy is your goal,then some load tweaking might be necessary.
    after 25 years,if it's gonna be a problem,it's had its' chance.
  12. 312shooter

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    Powder Valley SEEMS to have favorable pricing, however they are the only retailer I have ever experienced that, in order to fulfill an order on the checkout screen you must agree to shipping charges assessed after you submit full payment information, this is crap! Last PV order I placed was a hidden $45 in shipping above haz, dont think that PV is the kingsh*t on favorable pricing, they get you with hidded shipping charges bordering fraud if you ask me...never again!
  13. steve4102

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    From Powder Valley's web site.

    SHIPPING: UPS/FedEx Surcharge of $27.50 Per Package on Hazardous Materials. Powder and Primers are Hazardous. FedEx requires a signature on all hazardous material packages. UPS may require a signature when delivering your package. Please make sure someone will be available to sign for your package when delivered. See NOTE above to help save money! Bullets, brass and other non-incendiaries do not come under HAZMAT. We will ship via the best method to save you money. Shipping will be calculated and added to your order. Our typical shipping charges are based on the subtotal of your order. Subtotal <$150.00, shipping $9.95; <$300.00, $13.95; <$600.00, $15.95; >$600, $19.95. Please use this as a guide only. Freight for Wads, shot, media and cast bullets are subject to increased freight charges. We can ship shot, bullets and brass via the U. S. Postal Service for $14.00 per box up to 60 pounds, subject to size requirements. Please contact an associate for assistance.

    I just received my order of powder and primers a few days ago. Merchandise total was just over $300, S&H was $13.95.

    Sorry to hear you had a bad experience with PV. If they would have tacked on $45 for S&H I would have called immediately and asked for an explanation and then canceled the order. As it turns out my S&H experience with PV is in line with their Web Site estimates.
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  14. 312shooter

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    "Typical" is the key phrase which releases them from any accountibility, a disclaimer threaded with lip service is all this is....$70 shipping for 12 lbs of powder and 5k primers speaks volumes about powder valley and how they chose to treat this customer, fine print, disclaimers - nothing but smokescreen. Canceling the order doesnt work, the charges dont appear on the card until after the shipment has departed the facitlity. They have this down pat. Graf and Sons has a loyal customer for life, Haz + 4.95 flat rate shipping, no need for deceptive practices to conduct a successful business.
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  15. cpttango30

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    I have 10k Wolf (Tula) primers in Small Rifle and Large Rifle.

    Every guy I know who shoots F-Class uses Wolf primers.
  16. dbach

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    You can always call Powder Valley (TOLL FREE - 800.227.4299) and place your order over the phone. This should eliminate any unpleasant surprises.

    I have bought bullets and brass from Powder Valley. My experience there was as good as any service I get from many other vendors. I have never purchased primers or powder online. If I ever do, I think I'll call my order in and get all pricing up front.

    I would not like it if I got overcharged for shipping like 312Shooter.

    I was pointing out that despite a primer shortage, primers are available. In my case it would save me money to order them online. Your situation may be different.
  17. ejkoechling

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    great info gentleman.I'm new here and to reloadingHave a dillon 550 and enjoy the process very much. Am currently loading 9mm, 40s&w, and 45 acp. looking to start 357 Magnum as soon as I get the dies, plates, and powderfunnel for christmas from my awe..some wife. Thanks agian for the info. Love the site by the way.
  18. soundguy

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    i gotta get there.... :)
  19. acelungger

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    312Shooter, I agree with your answer, I have been reloading since 1972, I have never loaded anything at max, I get a little rassing about my powder puff loads, i load my 38's so light you can shoot them all day long, even in a Airweight S&M. In my auto's I load them just hot enough that the eject evey time.
    I know that the proper thing to do is never do anything that is not in the book, but if you take the lowest load and use magnum primers I can't see that anyone would have a problem with it. I have allways used pistol primers in everything I shoot. Pistol primers will fit all pistol cases, but rifle primers won't work in a pistol case I guess you can force them in but not me. I am only stating what has worked for me, and who knows that the next shot that I make blow's my hand off, so I take NO RESPONSABLE if you do anything that I have posted, I have no degree in Ballictics and I am not a Gunsmith! That stuff works for me, if you do anything that I have stated you do this on your own!!
  20. soundguy

    soundguy Well-Known Member

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    reminds me of another forum i post in. at the end of many of our messages there is something to the effect of:

    'standard disclaimer applies' etc.

    CYA

    :)
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