Problems with 30-06

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  1. dbach

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    I just started loading 30-06, so I'm learning.

    I bought some once fired brass and I think it is causing a problem. It is marked HXP then a number, usually 74 but it varies. Sometimes there is a 78 or an 80, it's random. The problem is that after I reloaded it the bolt is hard to close. It will close but it is difficult, much more difficult than it should be. I cleaned the brass, FL resized, trimmed then loaded as usual. I have double checked my cartridge overall length and I'm good there.

    I think it has something to do with the way the brass head is formed. Some of the HXP's heads are longer than comercial brass. I suppose pictures are in order. I'll try to get some tomorrow.

    So who makes HXP brass? And why is it different? I bought 100 pieces and most of it is the HXP headstamp (75% +/-). There are some HXP's that are like any other piece of 30-06 brass and some that are longer. What gives?
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    It's got to be some kind of surplus and it may have been fired in a long chamber. FL sizing might not set the shoulder back enough for you. Try loading an empty, sized case in the chamber and closing the bolt--does it still close hard?

    You could fire a few with a (greatly) reduced load which should fire-form the case to your chamber. Make sure your dies are truly FL sizing--I've had some in the past that only SAID they did. If your rifle chambers factory ammo smoothly then there is obviously something going on with the brass. You might just want to buy some new stuff and start there. The -06 is a pretty reloader-friendly cartridge.......
  4. dbach

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    The rifle chambers factory ammo just fine, no problemo. Mixed in with the 100 pieces I bought are a few pieces of Winchester and Federal and they also chamber fine.

    "Try loading an empty, sized case in the chamber and closing the bolt--does it still close hard?"
    Did that, the brass either gets stuck or the bolt has a lot of resistance.
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    The HXP 74 Brass is on the right. The one on the left is RP 30-06. See the difference in the length of the head? or whatever it's called.

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  6. 243winxb

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    Sorry, photo no help to me. Poor quality. Camera have a Macro setting for close ups?
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    The HXP has a more relieved extractor groove for the large extractor on M1 garand rifles. It should reload and shoot fine. Adjust your FL die to touch the shellholder. That will ensure the entire case is getting resized clear to the web. Then trim your brass. The reason its sticky is because that ammo was probably fired in worn out milsurp rifles with a little headspace issue. It causes the cases to bulge a little at the web and if you dont resize the entire case itll be sticky in your bolt action.
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    Agreed! Screw the FL sizing die deeper into the press until the brass chambers.
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    He might have a tight chamber. I have one rifle that come hell or high water it is not going to shoot anything your try to reload that was first fired in another rifle. It will chamber and shoot factory just fine. You can load new brass and it shoots it just fine. Try to full length size anything shot in another rifle and you will have a rod stuck in the end of the barrel knocking out the spent brass that will not extract. I have had a couple people attempt to prove me an idiot on this rifle and they turned out to be the ones looking like an idiot. I can use a "small base" die to resize the shot brass and then "fire form" it in my rifle. It then works fine.
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  10. LDBennett

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    dbach:

    Greek military ammo is what CMP is now selling. My son-in-law has lots of it and has shot it in his two Garands with no problems. He gave me the empties but I have yet to load them or shoot them in my Garands. I anticipate no problem (??).

    There are reloading dies and then there are RELOADING dies. If you have gravitated towards the cheapy ones (fill in the blank) then that may be the problem if you have them adjusted down on the shell holder. And are they Full Length sizing dies or just Neck resizing dies?

    LDBennett
  11. cowboy898

    cowboy898 New Member

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    Dbach,
    I had the same problem when I first started reloading my 06 and I had to lower th FL die down to fix the problem. The last part of the casing was not being resized.
  12. dbach

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    Thanks guys/gals ... members.

    I'm using Full Length RCBS Dies. I had the die adjusted so that there was a slight cam over. I resized another case and noticed a slight bit of daylight between the bottom of the die and the top of the shell holder. I lowered the die a small amount, and now have no daylight and the press is a bit harder to cam over.

    The problem seems to be solved. The bolt closes much easier now, even though there is still a slight resistance sometimes.
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    I have been shooting and reloading the HXP brass for years, good brass.
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    I do not understand how that could happen. If you set up and lock your lock ring and have camover, unless there is something seriously screwed up in the press, there is no way to then have daylight.
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    The press springs. Lee has said to check to see if the base of the die & shell holder are in full contact when sizing brass.
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