Question is NOT going to go AWAY.....

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  1. Marlin

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    This is today's Email News from the Western Centre for Journalism. Read and digest it carefully.

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    [FONT=&quot]So Mr. Obama; where's the birth certificate? The Mainstream Media desperately wants this story to go away. As Rush Limbaugh said on Thursday, the media is "covering it up" and "papering it over."[/FONT]
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    [FONT=&quot] And, as you have already heard, Donald Trump is now asking the question. As Limbaugh says; "You can't say Trump is a kook right-wing birther. ... If he's going to bring this up ... you know that it's serious.”[/FONT]
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    [FONT=&quot] Of course it's serious, but Trump is simply asking the questions that we've been asking all along. “I’d just like to see his birth certificate. I’m hearing all sorts of stories that his own family can’t agree which hospital he was born in and lots of other things, and I’m trying to find out where is the birth certificate. I have a birth certificate. Where is his birth certificate? If somebody wants to run for president you have to be born in this country. And when the family argues about which hospital it was because they’re not sure, as has been reported, and you don’t have a birth certificate, it’s sort of a strange situation.” [/FONT]
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    [FONT=&quot] Welcome to the fight Mr. Trump but the plain and simple truth is that the Mainstream Media can't squelch this story because organizations like the Western Center for Journalism refuse to let it die. [/FONT]
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    [FONT=&quot] It's beyond belief. A growing groundswell of Americans are demanding that Barack Hussein Obama produce his actual birth certificate and prove that he is not a fraud and a usurper and that he is eligible to hold the office of President of the United States. [/FONT]
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    [FONT=&quot] But the issues surrounding Obama's eligibility and his obstruction of the efforts of patriotic Americans who are attempting to compel him to produce his birth certificate are not going to go away. [/FONT]
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    [FONT=&quot] And we're not going to go away either. But we need your help to keep up the fight and force Barack Hussein Obama to give the American people the one thing he refuses to give the American people... accountability. Your immediate tax deductible support will help us to bring the fight to Barack Hussein Obama. [/FONT]
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    [FONT=&quot] Yes, the controversy continues...[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]And the one pivotal and enduring question that those who attempt to dismiss the controversy cannot answer is still: If Barack Hussein Obama has nothing to hide, what’s the problem? The more he resists, the more you have to wonder.[/FONT]

    [FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot] Make no mistake, Barack Hussein Obama wants this issue to go away... we won't let it go away ... we're going to keep pressing the issue... we want him to continue to resist and we want more and more people to wonder. But we need your help to keep up the fight and force Barack Hussein Obama to give the American people the one thing he refuses to give the American people... accountability. Your immediate tax deductible support will help us to continue bringing you the news that Barack Obama doesn't want the American people to see... to bring the fight straight to Barack Hussein Obama. [/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]No Conspiracy Theories... Just The Facts... [/FONT]
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    [FONT=&quot] Here are some of the disturbing facts surrounding Barack Hussein Obama’s ACTUAL BIRTH CERTIFICATEnot rumors, not wild theories – just the FACTS. [/FONT]


    [FONT=&quot][​IMG][/FONT][FONT=&quot]FACT #1[/FONT][FONT=&quot]: Article 2, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United States, SPECIFICALLY states, "No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President..." It's NOT a technicality, or lunacy on the part of our Founding Fathers. It is a specific statement within a document that forms the basis for ALL of our laws and not open to interpretation.[/FONT]
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    [FONT=&quot] [​IMG]FACT #2: In order to be a "natural born citizen," you must be born in the United States or, if you are born abroad, you CAN (if specific circumstances are met) inherit natural born status from your parents. If he was born abroad, then that's a problem for Barack Hussein Obama because his father was NOT a citizen of the United States and his mother had not lived in the United States the required amount of time after attaining the age of majority when Obama was born - meaning SHE COULD NOT pass her citizenship on to Obama.[/FONT]
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    [FONT=&quot] [​IMG]FACT #3: If Barack Hussein Obama WAS NOT born in the United States, he IS NOT a "natural born citizen" and if that is the case, Obama is guilty of perpetuating the most massive fraud in the history of the United States. [/FONT]
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    [FONT=&quot] [​IMG]FACT #4: Barack Hussein Obama has ACTIVELY REFUSED to show his ACTUAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE to the people who elected him. This document could remove all doubt of Obama's status because it would name the hospital and the attending physician at Obama's birth. Under Hawaiian law, only Obama can legally release the document but HE JUST WON'T DO IT. Why not? [/FONT]
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    [FONT=&quot] [​IMG]FACT #5: Obama has multiple teams of lawyers and has spent an unspecified amount of money (possibly in excess of 2 million dollars) to help him shield the document from the prying eyes of the American people. Why? [/FONT]
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    [FONT=&quot] [​IMG]FACT #6: Instead of producing an ACTUAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE, Team Obama produced another document – a “Certification of Live Birth” – and said, in effect, “Here’s his Birth Certificate. Now shut up.” [/FONT]

    [FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot] So what's the big deal? We'd love an answer to that question but the plain and simple truth is that Barack Hussein Obama has actively FOUGHT every effort to compel him to release his ACTUAL LONG-FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE. He's dug in his heels... spent millions... he arrogantly refuses to prove to the American people that he is not a FRAUD or a USURPER, while his underlings look down their noses at the American people and call these legitimate requests for him to produce an actual birth certificate... “garbage.”[/FONT]

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    We're not going to let Barack Hussein Obama or the Lame-Stream Media get away with keeping the truth from the American people but we need your help to keep up the fight and force Barack Hussein Obama to give the American people the one thing he refuses to give the American people... accountability. Your immediate tax deductible support will help us to bring the fight to Barack Hussein Obama.

    [FONT=&quot]Transparency Indeed... [/FONT]
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    [FONT=&quot] Again, Article 2, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United States, states in part, "No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President...." [/FONT]
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    [FONT=&quot] That means neither Arnold Schwarzenegger nor George Soros can be President of the United States. Not EVER. It also means, as previously stated, that IF Barack Obama was born outside the United States, he is not eligible to be President of the United States, because his parents could not pass that status onto him.[/FONT]
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    [FONT=&quot] Obama’s paternal grandmother said, she was present at Obama’s birth, which took place in Mombasa in what is now Kenya. So where was Obama born? [/FONT]
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    [FONT=&quot] Only an ACTUAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE can answer that question (not the unreliable Certification of Live Birth that Obama produced) – but Obama has multiple teams of lawyers dedicated to the proposition that nobody – but NOBODY – gets to see the one document that can clear up this controversy. That’s INSANE. [/FONT]
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    [FONT=&quot] It’s OUTRAGEOUS that Obama continues to cover up the truth. IT’S IMPOSSIBLE NOT TO CONCLUDE THAT HE’S HIDING SOMETHING. [/FONT]
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    [FONT=&quot] In his grandiose MEMORANDUM FOR THE HEADS OF EXECUTIVE DEPARTMENTS AND AGENCIES, issued after he took office, Obama proclaimed: "SUBJECT: Transparency and Open Government: My Administration is committed to creating an unprecedented level of openness in Government. We will work together to ensure the public trust and establish a system of transparency, public participation, and collaboration. Openness will strengthen our democracy and promote efficiency and effectiveness in Government."[/FONT]
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    [FONT=&quot] Just pretty words. They mean absolutely nothing to Barack Obama, but those words mean something to us. We'll keep the promise that Barack Hussein Obama made to the American people, but we need your help to keep up the fight and force Barack Hussein Obama to give the American people the one thing he refuses to give the American people... accountability. Your immediate tax deductible support will help us to bring the fight to Barack Hussein Obama. [/FONT]
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    [FONT=&quot]Is This Whole Controversy Such A Big Deal Or Much Ado About Nothing?[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
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    [FONT=&quot] IT WAS for John McCain. [/FONT]
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    [FONT=&quot] You may still remember that the liberal media made a HUGE DEAL out of the fact that McCain was born in the Canal Zone, while his father, a Naval officer, was stationed there. The liberal media RELENTLESSLY questioned whether or not McCain met the constitutional test? [/FONT]
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    [FONT=&quot] But John McCain - unlike Obama - released all relevant records.[/FONT]
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    [FONT=&quot] While the Canal Zone was not American soil, McCain’s parents were both natural-born American citizens who had resided in the United States for the required number of years after having reached the age of majority. McCain was good to go. [/FONT]
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    [FONT=&quot] Can we say the same for Obama? We don't know. And the liberal media isn't asking that question?[/FONT]
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    [FONT=&quot] Strangely, it may have been the liberal media's willingness to savage McCain over the issue that eventually brought this whole controversy to light. [/FONT]
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    [FONT=&quot] When Obama's grandmother claimed Obama was born in what is now Kenya, the McCain controversy was still fresh in the minds of people who wondered - and are still wondering - why the same standard was NOT being applied to Obama.[/FONT]
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    [FONT=&quot] But, as the American people are coming to know, you are simply not allowed to criticize or scrutinize "the messiah" or hold "the chosen one" up to any standard.[/FONT]
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    [FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot] Now, just raising what was a legitimate question in regards to John McCain makes you a conspiracy theorist or nut when it comes to Obama. [/FONT]
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    [FONT=&quot] Please understand, no one is saying that Obama is NOT a "natural born citizen." What we're saying is we just don’t KNOW, BECAUSE BARACK “ MR. TRANSPARENCY” OBAMA WILL NOT RELEASE HIS ACTUAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE. That's a problem... a problem we intend to rectify and with your help we can keep up the fight and force Barack Hussein Obama to give the American people the one thing he refuses to give the American people... accountability. Your immediate tax deductible support will help us to bring the fight to Barack Hussein Obama. [/FONT]
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    [FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]More Questions....[/FONT]
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    [FONT=&quot] Not to confound or confuse the issue but here’s a complicating twist: the State of Hawaii permitted parents to obtain a “Certification of Live Birth” (the unreliable document that Obama produced and is falsely claiming is his birth certificate) EVEN IF THE CHILD WAS NOT BORN IN HAWAII. [/FONT]
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    [FONT=&quot] Below is the relevant statute: "[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child." [/FONT]
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    [FONT=&quot] When queried, Dr Chiyome Fukino, with Hawaii's Department of Health, stated: "Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawaii, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures." [/FONT]
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    [FONT=&quot] Okay, if an ACTUAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE exists... why can't the American people see it since it will clearly indicate the specific place of birth? [/FONT]
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    [FONT=&quot] As for Obama’s inner circle, they offer a quick, arrogant reply to anyone who asks about the rumors surrounding Obama’s birth certificate (and this is a direct quote): “All I can tell you is that it is just pure garbage.” [/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot] But here's the bottom line. If Obama is not, in fact, eligible to hold the office of President of the United States, the information may save the United States from bankruptcy and stop this arrogant young man – obsessed with 19th century Marxism – from wrecking the United States of America. [/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]We can stop Barack Hussein Obama from wrecking the United States of America. With your help we can keep up the fight and force Barack Hussein Obama to give the American people the one thing he refuses to give the American people... accountability. Your immediate tax deductible support will help us to to continue to bring the fight to Barack Hussein Obama. [/FONT]
  2. rentalguy1

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    I find the number of requests for money almost as disturbing as the fact that the kenyan in chief will not release his birth certificate.
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    In his grandiose MEMORANDUM FOR THE HEADS OF EXECUTIVE DEPARTMENTS AND AGENCIES, issued after he took office, Obama proclaimed: "SUBJECT: Transparency and Open Government: My Administration is committed to creating an unprecedented level of openness in Government. We will work together to ensure the public trust and establish a system of transparency, public participation, and collaboration. Openness will strengthen our democracy and promote efficiency and effectiveness in Government."

    Yeah, mr.transparency.......:mad::mad::mad:
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    Yeah, everybody has their hand out......like passin' the plate.......
    yet it still doesn't change the facts.

    Lots of things are disturbing to me these days.......BIG difference here,
    disturbing or not, if I don't donate to WCJ they will not force me to buy
    insurance, or belittle or steal away any of my Constitutional Rights......or.....

    It takes money.......you can donate or not........

    Ever been in church? Does TFF have a button on the very top to donate?

    Does the NRA 'give' you a membership? How about a shooting range?
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  5. WABob

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    Fact #4 is wrong. Private citizens generally do not have access to their original birth certificate. Usually the best anyone can do is a certified copy or a computer generated printout with a few names and dates.

    Under Hawaii State law Obama can not release the original birth certificate. But there is a lengthly list of people who can apply for a copy or a certification of live birth form the state records. Look here. http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0018.htm

    Hawaiian officials have been bombarded with many requests for Obama's BC. They made a link just for this. http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/obama.html

    I keep reading online that Obama has spent millions to hide his records. Anyone ever get any proof of this? Like a reciept?

    The claim that the state of Hawaii will issue a birth certificate showing that an alien was born in Hawaii is dubious. Nowhere in the relevent statute does it say that the alien's birth certificate will show that he or she was born in the state. http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0017_0008.htm
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    A question for you WAboB, I'm just curious, truthfully.

    Do you support obama ?
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    His inability to lead and his ties to anti-american radicals and his spending and his crazy policys and his muslim/christian fake religion cover up and his lies and his left wing appointies to the courts and his illegal passing of bills without being voted on and his millions spent on czars and his millions spent on vacations and lavish parties and his ties to overseas terror groups and his hidden campaign funding and his shunning of all our closest allies and the illegal grabing of the auto industry and illegally giving the unions control of them and the direct connection to soros and the health care / redistribution of wealth and the 105 billion dollars given to it without permission and his massive land grabs out west and his shutting down the oil drilling putting thousands out of work and his printing money left and right and his cash for clunkers that cost the taxpayer 35,000 per vehicle and put thousands of people out of work and shut down numerous businesses and his covering up fannie and freddie and well, I am getting tired but the birth certificate seems like a small issue.
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    I agree that it takes money to fund this stuff. I just don't like that every fifth sentence is asking for donations. You DON'T see that very often. I also agree that Obama is not a naturalized citizen, or I haven't seen proof at least. Now, you can take your attitude and show it so far up your rear that it would take a team of proctologists a week and a keg of dynamite to find it. That may fly with others, but not me. Roger that?
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    seriously, are you one of those people that will only listen/read the news reports that are in line with your own thoughts? Anyone, and I repeat anyone, can get a certificate of live birth in HI. You call it in, they print it up and mail it to you. The officials in HI have admitted it on more than one occasion. Don't ask me for a link, because I have read it. You want to read it, you Google it. It's not hard to find. Also, you are incorrect about birth certificates. ANYBODY can get their own birth certificate. ANYBODY. It's yours, not the states. Why on earth would they not give it to you? All you have to do is send in the correct request, prove you are who you claim to be, and pay the administrative fees. Sheesh!
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    Don't know about the other States about birth certificates, but my uncle now living in California asked me to get his birth certificate, because he was going to retire. Pa. State refused because the law says only the actual person may apply for a copy of their birth certificate, unless it's the parent or legal guardian of a minor. However if the person is deceased, then they will issue a record for historical purposes, such as genealogical records. However it does seem odd that only President Clinton and Obama have been permitted by the media to withhold information. I remember the hoo-haw demands from the media for the health records for Reagan and both Bush's and McCain. Makes me wonder if it's a tempest in a tea pot or genuine fraud!.
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    And his BOWING down to FOREIGN LEADERS........:mad::mad::mad:
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    Was that directed at me ????
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    Bob, I beg to differ. Not only do I have a copy of my Original Birth Certificate. I also have the copy of my Certificate of Live Birth. I have never been able to use the Certificate of Live Birth for anything like "proof". Getting into school or college. Playing little league ball, drivers license, Pass Port, etc. I have always had to produce my Original Birth Certificate.

    Of course, I was born in America. Go figure ??
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    "Now, you can take your attitude and show it so far up your rear that it would take a team of proctologists a week and a keg of dynamite to find it. That may fly with others, but not me. Roger that?"--rentalguy1

    If, and I say if, that was directed at me, you obviously find it hard to comprehend what you read if you took these words of mine and construed them to be an attack at you. If you felt my words should warrant a response of this nature, you may have other issues.
    OR......
    Somehow you got your feelings hurt by what you thought I said, and that
    would be very understandable from a liberal way of thought process.
    I just don't understand why anyone here on the great TFF, unless they are a super newbie, would, for ANY REASON, be so short in temper and so demeaning in speech, to attack another in a post with such harshness. It is very childish in the least. Imbecilic. There are millions of words of knowledge within TFF, and this type of behavior is the exact opposite.
    I, oZo, don't care one iota of what anyone thinks about me. I have taken absolutely zero offense to your reply post, if it was directed at me. In fact, it's a hoot to see others do silly stuff. But I will assure you, when the newness of hilarity wears thin, I move on to something meaningful. In other words, I'm done with this one with you. Peter that ? :cool:
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    Ozo, I think your reading something thats not there. I dont think anything was directed at you.
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