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  1. RunningOnMT

    RunningOnMT New Member

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    I received this article from a member of our local tea party and a subset of that the Ohio Second Amendment Group. Thought it was a good read you all might appreciate.


    Never Surrender--A Resolution for 2012 And Beyond, by C.R.W.

    ""Never give in, never give in, never; never; never; never - in nothing, great or small, large or petty - never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense"........Winston Churchill, Oct 29, 1941

    I do not know the author of the following article but he has a point. Surrender is not an option and this article make a good case for that position.

    The Phases of Surrender

    The first phase of surrender is failing to be armed, trained and committed to fight. We are prepared to surrender when we are unprepared to resist.

    The second phase of surrender is failing to be alert. You must see trouble coming in order to have time to respond. The warning may be less than one second but it will be there and it must be recognized and acted upon immediately.

    The Third phase of surrender is giving up your weapons.

    The last phase of surrender is up to the monsters who have taken control of your life and perhaps the lives of your loved ones. The last phase of surrender is out of your hands.

    Surrender during war

    During the American Revolution 12,000 Colonists captured by the British died in captivity on prison ships, while only 8,000 died in battle. Had the 12,000 who surrendered continued to fight many would have survived and they could have done great damage to the British and likely shortened the war.

    Civil War prisoners were treated so badly that some 50,000 died in captivity. More Americans have been killed by Americans than by any foreign army in any war. Six hundred eighteen thousand (618,000) Americans died in the Civil War.

    As many as 18,000 captured American and Filipino prisoners died or were murdered at the hands of the Japanese during the six days of the "Bataan Death March." Had most of these soldiers slipped into the jungle and fought as guerrillas they could have tied up elements of the Japanese Army for months or years and perhaps more of them would have survived the war.

    Of the Americans who actually reached Japanese prison camps during the war, nearly 50,000 died in captivity. That is more than 10 percent of all the American military deaths in the entire war in both the Pacific and European theaters combined.

    In addition to the 50,000 captured Americans who died in Japanese prison camps an additional 20,000 were murdered before reaching a prison camp. If those 70,000 Americans had continued to fight, they could have provided time for the United States to build and maneuver its forces, perhaps shortening the war and saving even more lives. Some of them would have likely survived the war. If they had all died in battle their fate would have been no worse.

    During the early stages of the Battle of the Bulge American soldiers were massacred by the German troops who captured them.

    During the Vietnam conflict many American Prisoners Of War were tortured daily for years by the Communist North Vietnamese. Many Americans died during the process. Only Officers (Aviators) held in North Vietnam were ever repatriated. Enlisted Americans captured in South Viet Nam were routinely tortured, mutilated and murdered by the Communists. As a combat soldier and knowing my fate should I be captured, I was committed to fighting to the death. I made specific plans to force the enemy to kill me rather than allow myself to be captured.

    In recent years, American troops captured by Islamic terrorists groups have virtually all been tortured and murdered in gruesome fashion. If I were fighting in the Middle East, I would make a similar vow and plan to fight to the death. Under no circumstances would I allow myself to be captured by our Islamic enemies.

    Death by Government

    R.J. Rummel, who wrote the book, "Death by Government " states that prior to the 20th Century; 170 million civilians were murdered by their own governments. Historians tell us that during the 20th Century perhaps as many as 200 million civilians were murdered by their own governments.

    Some of the Nations where the mass murder of civilians occurred during the 20th Century include Russia, Ukraine, Germany, Poland, Czechoslovakia, The Congo, Uganda, Armenia, Viet Nam, Cambodia, Nigeria, Laos, China, Cuba, Manchuria, Iraq, Iran, Biafra, Rwanda and many others. The slaughter of civilians by governments appears to be as common as not.

    Most of these slaughters were only made possible by disarming the victims before killing them. Had these people resisted, their fate would have been no worse and perhaps better. Resistance is much more difficult after the government has already taken the means of resistance away from the people. Planned genocide has been the primary reason for weapon confiscation throughout history.

    Jews and others who surrendered to the Nazis were murdered in slave labor camps by the millions. Had all the Jews in Europe resisted when the Nazis started rounding them up they could have made the Nazis pay an enormous price for the holocaust. The fact that Hitler confiscated guns in 1936 made resistance far less feasible.

    Had the Jews in Germany resisted, the outcome may have been the same but the world would have learned about the holocaust years earlier and may have intervened. Most people would prefer to die fighting and trying to kill their oppressor, than be taken off to a death camp and starved to death or murdered in a gas chamber.

    William Ayers, former leader of the Terrorist organization The Weather Underground, and close friend of Barack Obama, told his followers in the Weather Underground, "When we (Communist Revolutionaries) take over the United States, we will have to kill 25 million Americans." He was referring to those who would never submit to a Communist takeover. Those who would refuse to deny and reject the Constitution would have to be murdered. If this sounds impossible, remember that Genocide by Government was the leading cause of death in the last Century.

    Surrendering to Criminals

    The Onion Field Murder in California was a wake up call to Law Enforcement Officers everywhere. On March 9, 1963, two Los Angeles Police Department officers were taken prisoner by two criminals. The Officers submitted to capture and gave up their weapons. They were driven to an onion field outside of Bakersfield.
    One Officer was murdered while the other Officer managed to escape in a hail of gunfire. The surviving Officer suffered serious psychological case, having been unable to save his partner. As a result of this incident, the LAPD policy became, "You will fight no matter how bad things are." "You will never ever surrender your weapons or yourself to a criminal."

    Consider the Ogden, Utah record store murders. Read the book if you do not know the story. The manner in which the criminals murdered their young victims cannot be described here. Resistance might have been futile. Compliance was definitely and absolutely futile.

    The courts in this country have ruled that the police have no legal obligation to protect anyone. Why do Law Enforcement Officials always tell civilians not to resist a criminal, while they tell their Officers to always resist and never surrender? Police administrators fear being sued by a civilian victim who gets hurt resisting. Furthermore, the police, like all government agencies derive their power by fostering dependence.

    According to Professor John Lott's study on the relationship between guns and crime, a victim who resists with a firearm is less likely to be hurt or killed than a victim who cooperates with his attacker. His book is titled "More Guns, Less Crime."

    The Doctor and his family in Connecticut complied and cooperated, meeting every demand of the home invasion robbers to whom they had surrendered. The Doctors wife and daughters were tortured, raped, doused with gasoline and burned alive. How did surrender and cooperation work out for them?

    In another home invasion robbery, a kindly couple with 9 "adopted, special needs children," surrendered to the robbers. The victims opened their safe and did not resist in any way. When the robbers where finished ransacking the home and terrifying the children, they shot both parents in the head several times before leaving. How did surrender and complete cooperation work out for them?

    Handing over your life by surrendering to someone who is in the process of committing a violent crime against you is a form of suicide. Some survive but many do not. The monster gets to decide for you.

    We have heard brutalized victims say, "The robber said that he would not hurt us if we cooperated." Why would you believe anything that someone who is committing a crime against you says? He will be lying if he speaks. As we say in law enforcement, "If a criminal's lips are moving while he is speaking, he is lying." Criminals by definition are dishonest and should never be trusted or believed.

    You have no doubt heard friends say, I would not resist a criminal, after all why would he kill me? This is stupid and naive. In law enforcement, we call these people "Victims by Choice" (VBC). There could be a long list of reasons why a criminal would kill you despite your cooperation.

    You may be of a different race, thus a different tribe. Only members of his tribe are actually human in his mind. He may feel hatred toward you because you have more than he does. Gratification from being in a position of total power is reason enough for some.

    Criminals are sometimes members of a Satanic Cult who worship death such as the "Night Stalker" in California. Eliminating a potential witness is often cited as a reason to kill a victim. Sometimes criminals simply enjoy causing suffering and death. There are people who are in fact, pure evil. I have heard criminals say, "I killed her just to watch her die."

    A victim who begs for mercy can give his attacker a tremendous feeling of power which many criminals seem to enjoy. You cannot expect mercy from someone who does not know what mercy is.

    Resist!

    We each have a duty to ourselves, our loved ones, our neighbors, our community, our city, our state and our country to resist criminals. Reasoning with a thug who believes that his failures are because of people just like you is not likely to be helpful. Pleading with a terrorist who has been taught from birth that his salvation depends on murdering people like you is a doomed plan. Resist!

    Resist! His gun may not be real. After you are tied up it will not matter. His gun may not be loaded. After you are tied up it will not matter. He may not know how to operate his gun. After you are tied up it will not matter. Resist!

    Statistically if you run and your assailant shoots at you he will miss. Statistically if you run and he shoots and hits you, you will not die. Bad guys shooting at the police miss 90 percent of the time. The odds are on your side. Better to die fighting in place than to be tied up, doused with gasoline and burned alive. There are things worse than death. Surrender to a criminal or a terrorist and you will learn what they are. Resist!

    If you resist with a commitment to win you may well prevail, especially if you are armed and trained. If you lose it is still better to die fighting in place than to be taken prisoner and have your head cut off with a dull knife while your screams gurgle through your own blood as we have witnessed on numerous videos from the Middle East, brought to us by the "Islamic practitioners of peace."

    Some who have refused to surrender

    History is filled with brave people who refused to surrender. Some of these men and woman have won their battles despite what seemed to be insurmountable odds. Others have gone down fighting and avoided being tortured to death. Some fought to the death to help or save others. Many have fought to the death for an idea or a belief.

    When General Santa Ana (also the President of Mexico at the time) ordered 180 "Texacans" to surrender the Alamo, Col. Travis answered with "a cannon shot and a rebel yell." Eventually General Santa Ana was able to build his troop strength to ten thousand. The Mexicans then swarmed the defenders and killed them all.
    The battle of the Alamo delayed the Mexican Army long enough for Sam Houston to build his Texacan Army, which met and defeated the Mexican Army and captured General Santa Ana. General Santa Ana traded Texas for his life and the sacrifices of the Alamo defenders changed history.

    Frank Luke was a heroic aviator in WWI. Shot down and wounded he refused to surrender when confronted by a German patrol. He killed 4 German soldiers with his 1911 Pistol before being killed. Luke was posthumously awarded the Medal of Honor.

    When his unit was pinned down by German Machine Guns and all of the Officers and non commissioned officers in his company were killed or wounded, Alvin York never considered surrendering. Instead, he attacked hundreds of German soldiers killing about 25 with his rifle and pistol and then captured 132 others by himself!
    Most of the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto (Poland) surrendered to the German Army. They were taken off to death camps and murdered. Between 400 and 1,000 Jews refused to surrender and armed with only a few pistols, revolvers and rifles, they held off the German Army for three months before dying in battle.

    During the "Battle of the Bulge," the 101st Airborne was surrounded by the German Army and ordered to surrender. Faced with overwhelming odds, the Commanding Officer of the 101st sent this reply to the Germans. "Nuts." The Americans refused to surrender and they stopped the German advance. Most of the Americans troops survived.

    On Sept 2, 2010, 40 armed criminals took over and robbed a train in India. Some of the robbers had guns, others used knives and clubs. When they began to disrobe an 18 year old girl for the purpose of gang raping her, one of the passengers decided to fight. He was a 35 year old retired Gurkha soldier. He drew his Khukasri knife and attacked the 40 robbers. He killed three of the robbers and wounded 8 more despite his being wounded in this 20 minute fight. The remaining criminals fled for their lives leaving their stolen loot and eleven comrades dead or wounded on the floor of the train. The eight wounded robbers were arrested.

    How does one man defeat 40? How does he summon the courage to fight such odds? He utilized all of the Principles of Personal Defense: Alertness, Decisiveness, Aggressiveness, Speed, Coolness, Ruthlessness, and Surprise. He was skilled in the use of his weapon. Most importantly, He refused to be a victim and allow evil to triumph!

    If this one inspirational soldier can defeat 40 opponents using his knife, it would seem that we should all be able to defeat a group of armed criminals by using our firearms if we are professionally trained as was this heroic Gurkha soldier.
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    Interesting, makes ya think don't it.

    Am I to assume that this was written by a Law Enforcement Officer?

    If so, I would have a couple of questions for him.
    If things keep going the direction they are in this country, it is very possible that our Socialist/Communist regime will use it's Military/LE might and declare Marshall Law and round up the those that dare to challenge him. As Obama's friend Bill Ayers put it, "When we (Communist Revolutionaries) take over the United States, we will have to kill 25 million Americans."

    So, what is this LEO going to do? Is he going to take orders, follow them blindly and do whatever he is told to maintain Marshall Law and keep his salary and pension, or is he going to be the lone rebel in his Law Enforcement Community and resist as he is telling us to do?

    When it comes, we will have the answer to that question and from talking to many of my friends in LE, you will not like his answer. You will be resisting the very LEO that wrote this article.
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    Interesting idea about the prisoners of war part, but it doesn't take battle circumstances into account. Not as many would have survived as the article is trying to suggest. Many, if not most, of the prisoners they speak of would have died right there as surrendering was, for the most part, done when they were completely stripped of hope of survival if they continued to fight.
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    Very interesting topic. I was just asking my best friend the other day, whether he would obey an order to fire on armed US civilians who were only trying to defend themselves against what they considered to be an unjust or unconstitutional law. My friend was a former army soldier and Viet Nam vet. His answer came quick and simple. Yes!

    We would all like to believe police and military would refuse to obey an order to fire on their own people unless they(the people) were in the commission of an uncontested crime with no political over tones. I wouldn't bet my life on it.
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    I'm not so sure. We have had many discussions on the forum about this subject and I think there is a good likelihood that many if not most of our LEO's and military would not support an unconstitutional action against the people. The thing is it gets fuzzy when you have situations like Waco and Ruby Ridge where law enforcement can be convinced that the activities of a certain segment of the population is illegal, subversive or a threat to society. That's why it is important for us to act in a principled manner with clear constitutionally based positions on issues in which we are involved. While law enforcement did act imprudently with their overly aggressive conduct in those examples, the "victims" were not exactly squeaky clean and lawful in their conduct either. Responding to a subpoena and letting courts decide issues is a legal obligation of all citizens. Failing to comply invites trouble. Greeting law enforcement with gunfire does also.
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    The few that I know, Will Obey Orders.
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    I belong to the tea party, and receive their news letters. I believe their causes are worthy. But..some of their letters sound like they were written by a sixteen year old who had just discovered testosterone. They have a few great ideas ( smaller govnmt, etc. ), but, getting their ideals out to folks, who already believe they are destructive, needs to be accomplished in a more professional manner. We are not wacko's, quit addressing me like one.

    Lastly, unless someone has actually faced certain death unless they comply with their captors demands, they don't have a clue. It's easy enough to criticize, but nobody can put themselves in a hypothetical life or death situation and say..we''ll, I know what I would have done "..no, they don't. Death is final. Choosing life, gives one hope that their situation may change for the better.
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    Talk's cheap. No one knows what they'll do until they're in a bad situation.
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